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Tines will not engage

Was doing some maintenance and I removed the cap at the back end of the drive shaft. Saw bearings and spacers around drive shaft, and thought I should best leave alone. Carefully replaced cap, and tightened down, and now the tines and drive to wheels will not engage. Removed cap again to check that everything is seated, reassembled, and still no go. Tines look like they just barely want to turn, and very slowly. They can be moved by hand when the lever is in drive position. This is an older machine, maybe early ninties. Any guesses? Thank you!!!

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Did a key fall out from one of the shafts?? Look in side and see if tine gear is turning when you turn motor with it in gear by had of course.

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Dec 04, 2008

SOURCE: Yard Machines/Tiller

the tines are usually connected with shear bolts designed to break away when u hit something as a safety precaution so that u dont break anything in the transmission. its common that people dont know this and replace them with normal bolts. if this was done and the tines are not moving now chances are uve got a snapped gear shaft

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Dewey Gardner

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  • Posted on Feb 14, 2009

SOURCE: troy bilt horse pto clutch will not disengage

The problem is lack of lubrication in the pto coupling. Losen the two swing bolts carefuly,block the front under the motor. Separate the tine transmision from the housing and grease both sides with as much grease as you can work in. Work the lever as you do this. Should fix the problem.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Aug 21, 2009

SOURCE: Craftsman tiller engine dies when I try to engage tines

tilt the back of the tiller up and check for a rock or stick wedged in between the tines and the shield

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Dec 13, 2009

SOURCE: Yardman Rear Tine Tiller tines won't turn. Belt

The problem lies in the shift lever in the gearbox. A poor initial design that was upgraded twice. The shift fork arms have spread enough for pins to come out of the groove they run in when the tiller is shifted to the last position. (Bending back into position would only be a temporary fix as would not be any stronger.) To replace shift lever, the gearbox cover has to be opened. Seperating the cover can be somewhat challenging. When prying cover apart try to not damage the cover gasket. Gearbox grease is very thick, so gasket's real purpose is to keep water and contaminants out. Leave all gearing and chains in place. The shift lever part number is 618-0245B. Or use assembly kit number 753-0869 (contains shift lever 618-0245B, position indicator, and roll pin.) Part will run in the $56-$68 range and can be found through MTD as well as Cub Cadet. Also can get through Sears PartsDirect.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on May 27, 2010

SOURCE: mtd rear tines tiller won't engage tines. F and R

I had similar problem recently with 2007 Huskee MTD series 410. The shift assembly bent and couldn't move the clutch collar all the way over on the drive shaft.

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