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2010 F150 4WD XLT Crew Cab: Can corrupted smart junction box SJB programming cause PATS lock-out while trying to start it and/or complete shut-off while driving?

I experienced multiple no-starts with PATS lock-out over many months. Would crank later. Eventually experienced three complete shut-offs while driving followed by no-start and PATS lock-out. Had to be towed. Sent SJB to a auto computer company for diagnostics and they said the programming was corrupted. They re-programmed and so far I have not had any more problems. But I'm not sure I can trust it for long trips.

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I think what's happening here is your power distribution box cables from the the battery and alternator have corrosion on them or they are loose and all of a sudden you loose power and get it back but the pats has been activated and when that happens you need to stop it with the key fob to get out of theft mode also check the battery cables all connections must be clean and tight do not use wire brushes on the battery cables and post it rips them apart causing loose connections and breaks in the power at times you must not be able to twist the cables alcohol or window cleaner and a rag will do a good job and when you see blueish green or white powdered acid build up use light steel wool 4/0 to remove it back to clean metal also do your starter cable lugs and your engine block ground and the fuse blades and relays under the hood and see if it stops it should and please post back to me in comments if it does fix it or doesn't so we can keep going to the final fix understand that I'm not there to check myself so you have to be specific in your post write down everything that you've done ok but my experience tells me your having a break in current and that will cause your nightmares described here also clean smart junction fuse and relays blades you should have your owners manual for fuse item locations if you don't go to Ford fleet.com and download your manual then go to roadside emergencies and your power distribution and smart junction box diagrams are there with values and relay locations check for all cables that there's no corossion traveling inside the insulation to good luck Stephen I'm pretty confident that this is a loss of power symptom

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Yes it can but need to find out how it was corrupted

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SOURCE: 2000 Blazer Cranks, Won't Start

i have a 2000 blazer 4.3 it cranks but wont start then sometimes it will start and either die 10 seconds later or die when you give it gas or put it in gear. i have replaced throttle position sensor, fuel regulator, fuel filter and fuel pump plz help

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jul 22, 2010

SOURCE: Car would not start, after siiting for an hour it did start .

mcdevito75 here, BEST BET, let the shop do this work, too many un forseen problems could come up. The stalling and unable to start for a while could also be a bad ignition module, no test for this part, but I would have it changed, for if it is a bad ignition module, all this other work will not fix the stalling and later start of your car.

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Colin Stickland

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  • Posted on Jan 03, 2011

SOURCE: I have a 2007 Ford

hoinest advice ---leave it in the box and put it on E bay ,just look on here at how many questions on vehicles that will not start and have this sort of device,also is it legal to fit this sort of device in your neck of the woods ,because its not legal here in spain or the UK other member states iam not sure about ,something to do with leaving a unattended vehicle running as a kid could drive it off

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Jose Cada

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  • Posted on May 09, 2011

SOURCE: 2003 F250 SUPER DUTY CREW CAB, GAS TRIED TO START

Welcome to Fixya!

If the engine cranks over normally when you attempt to start you car, but the engine does not start, the problem may be NO FUEL, NO SPARK or NO COMPRESSION. The engine needs adequate fuel pressure, a properly timed spark and normal compression to start.
TIP: To find why the engine won't start, remove the air inlet tube from the throttle body, push the throttle open and spray a small amount of aerosol starting fluid into the engine. Crank the engine. IF it has spark and compression but NO FUEL, it will start and run a few seconds before dying. If it does NOT start, it probably has NO SPARK.

TIP: Another method to check for spark is to pull a spark plug wire off of a spark plug (if it has plug wires, coil-on-plug ignitions do not) and place the open end of the plug wire near a metal surface on the engine. Have a helper crank the engine while you watch for a spark. DO NOT hold the wire while doing this as it can shock you. If you see a spark, the problem is not spark, but most likely NO FUEL or NO COMPRESSION. If you do not see a spark, the problem is in the IGNITION CIRCUIT.

TIP: Proper fuel pressure is critical for fuel injected engines to start and run. You should hear the fuel pump inside the fuel tank buzz for a couple of seconds when the ignition is turned on (no buzz means the pump is not running and the engine is not getting fuel). You can smell the tailpipe for gasoline vapors after cranking the engine. If you smell gas, the problem is likely not fuel but NO SPARK. You can also remove the plastic cap and press the schraeder valve test fitting on the fuel rail to see if there is any fuel pressure to the engine (not a very accurate test because fuel pressure must be at a certain level for the engine to start, for that you need a gauge). Even so, no fuel at the fuel rail would tell you fuel is not getting to the engine.

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2010 Ford XLT Sport trac.

There isn't one and you can't install LED bulbs because the Smart Junction Box doesn't understand the signals coming back from the LED control module on the 5 volt computer network.

Having said that, Ford would like to sell you one. Hopefully our Electronics Tech @Jeff Armer will be along to confirm

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When I searched to check, I found this on a forum

Can't find the flasher ......... not one. The SJB (Smart Junction Box, which BTW turns a lot of us into dummies ) controls the flash....and a myriad of other functions. Complicates a lot of modifications since it senses power input/output to control various functions. No, I don't completely understand it's operation......

I have no suggestion. Maybe someone with more knowledge of this system will be able to help you.

All the turn lamps are wired to the SJB. The timed on/off cycle is determined by the SJB and is set to flash approximately 80 times per minute if both the front and rear turn lamps operate correctly. If only an individual turn signal lamp operates, the SJB flashes the remaining turn lamp approximately 160 times per minute for bulb outage indication.


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https://www.autogenius.info/ford-explorer-sport-trac-2006-2010-fuse-box-diagram/

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2010 Ford Escape XLT. The turn signal flasher where is it located on a 2010 escape xlt?

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Jeff Armer Mar 23, 2022
They normally flash fast when a bulb is burnt out . There is no flasher , SJB - smart junction box - fords BCM - body control module turns the flashers on and off .

Principles of Operation

The smart junction box (SJB) monitors the multifunction switch position by sending multiple voltage reference signals to the multifunction switch. When the multifunction switch is in the LH or RH TURN position, or the hazard lamp switch is engaged, that input signal is routed to ground.

When the SJB receives an input from the multifunction or hazard switch indicating a request for a turn signal or hazard lamps, the SJB then supplies voltage to the appropriate turn lamps.

Hooking up a factory or some other type professional scan tool to check for codes in the SJB would be the first step in a diagnoses for this .

B1499 Lamps, Left Turn Signal Failure If a turn signal is inoperative, Go To Pinpoint Test O .
If a turn signal is always on, Go To Pinpoint Test N .
B1502 Lamps, Left Turn Signal Short to Ground Go To Pinpoint Test O .
Test N .
B2282 Left Turn Signal Switch/Circuit Short to Ground Go To Pinpoint Test N .


Your best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop.

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Fast flashing though, check the bulbs and in particular, the marker bulb on the left side. And never use LED bulbs in a vehicle that wasn't made for them.
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Would you like to take a crack at this one Jeff. I told him, but he doesn't believe me. I remember that technical site with the guy who turned the headlights off inside the workshop to not blind another tech, and the problem on the scanner, or oscilloscope went away.

https://www.fixya.com/cars/t29867334-when_push_brake_chimes_go_off_or_turn#cmnt_0

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Do you know what a smart junction box is ?

Power Locks
The smart junction box (SJB) monitors the door lock control switches. When the SJB receives an unlock/lock command from either door lock control switch, the SJB energizes a relay (internal to the SJB) to supply the correct power and grounds for the door lock actuators


internal - inside soldered to the circuit board ( non- servicable ) better make dam sure that is the problem . would need to replace SJB - $$$$$
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How hard is it to change a smart junction box in a 2006 Ford Taurus? Or how do you test one?

What kind of problems are you having that make you think the SJB is bad ? For testing a SJB you would need a factory scan tool or some other professional type scan tool , checking DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes an input data etc.... Changing a SJB would need a visit to the dealer or someother qualified repair shop for programming .
Module Controlled Functions The smart junction box (SJB) is the only multi-function module on this vehicle.
The SJB controls a variety of systems:
  • instrument cluster warning indication and chimes
  • interior lamp control
  • automatic headlamp control
  • daytime running lamps (DRL)
  • wiper and washer (front only)
  • heated rear window
  • one-touch down power window
  • delayed accessory
  • power door locks (including SMART, autolocking and luggage compartment lid release)
  • remote keyless entry (RKE)
  • perimeter anti-theft
  • Principles of Operation
    The smart junction box (SJB) constantly monitors its subsystems for concerns. If a concern is found in one of the subsystems, the SJB will record the concern in the form of a diagnostic trouble code (DTC).
    The ignition switch position is very important to the SJB functionality. Erratic or unexpected SJB functions can often be traced to problems with these ignition SJB inputs.
    The SJB controls a variety of systems:
    • battery saver relay
    • heated backlight
    • windshield wipers
    • interior lamps
    • remote keyless entry (RKE)
    • power lock system
    • exterior lamps
    • power windows
    • parking brake actuator warning chime
    • Inspection and Verification
      1. Verify the customer concern.
      1. Visually inspect for obvious signs of electrical damage.


      Visual Inspection Chart Electrical
      • Battery junction box (BJB) fuse 3 (60A)
      • Damaged wiring harness
      • Loose or corroded connector(s)
      • Circuitry
      • Smart junction box (SJB)

      1. If an obvious cause of an observed or reported concern is found, correct the cause (if possible) before proceeding to the next step.
      1. If the cause is not visually evident, connect the diagnostic tool to the data link connector (DLC) and select the vehicle to be tested from the diagnostic tool menu. If the diagnostic tool does not communicate with the vehicle:
        • check that the program card is correctly installed.
        • check the connections to the vehicle.
        • check the ignition switch position.
      1. If the diagnostic tool still does not communicate with the vehicle, refer to the diagnostic tool operating manual.
      1. Carry out the diagnostic tool data link test. If the diagnostic tool responds with:
        • ISO or CAN circuits fault; all electronic control units no response/not equipped, refer to Section 418-00 .
        • No response/not equipped for SJB, Go To Pinpoint Test A .
        • System passed, retrieve and record the continuous diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs), erase the continuous DTCs, and carry out self-test diagnostics for the SJB.
      1. If the DTCs retrieved are related to the concern, go to the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Index.
      1. If no DTCs related to the concern are retrieved, refer to the appropriate section of the Workshop Manual to continue diagnosis.
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It's inside the SJB - smart junction box ! It's non - serviceable . Is the air bag light lit on the instrument cluster ?Do you know what a smart junction box is ? It's a electronic module with a fuse / relay box built into it .

Module Controlled Functions The smart junction box (SJB) is the multifunction electronic control module on this vehicle. The SJB is a combination of a multifunction control module and a central junction box (CJB). SJB functions control multiple systems, which include:
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  • exterior lamps
  • illuminated entry and interior lamps
  • perimeter anti-theft alarm
  • power door locks
  • rear windshield wiper
  • remote keyless entry (RKE) keypad
  • RKE system
  • tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS)
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There is no relay for low beams , the ( SJB) smart junction box , a control module an fuse / relay center in one.
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Visual Inspection Chart Mechanical Electrical
  • Headlamp switch
  • Multifunction switch
  • Headlamp assembly
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    • 26 (15A) (LH high intensity discharge [HID] headlamp)
    • 27 (15A) (RH HID headlamp)
  • Smart junction box (SJB) fuse 11 (15A) (high beams)
  • Ballast
  • SJB
  • Bulb(s)
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The smart junction box (SJB) monitors the multifunction switch position by sending multiple voltage reference signals to the multifunction switch. When the multifunction switch is in the LH or RH TURN positions, or the hazard lamp switch is engaged, that input signal is routed to ground.
When the SJB receives a request for a turn signal or hazard lamps, the SJB supplies voltage to the appropriate turn lamps.

You could by a used one off ebay or a remanufactured one . lot less cost wise. But you would need ford , mercury dealer program it . Yes $600 bucks sounds right from the dealer .
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  • Smart junction box (SJB)
  • Instrument cluster
  • Restraint control module (RCM)
  • Inspection and Verification
    1. Verify the customer concern.
    1. Visually inspect the following for obvious signs of mechanical or electrical damage.

      Visual Inspection Chart Mechanical Electrical
      • Switch(es)
      • Instrument cluster
      • Smart junction box (SJB)
      • Battery junction box (BJB) fuse(s):
        • 1 (60A)
        • 3 (60A)
      • SJB fuse(s):
        • 22 (15A)
        • 32 (10A)
        • 33 (15A)
      • Circuitry
    1. If an obvious cause for an observed or reported concern is found, correct the cause (if possible) before proceeding to the next step.
    1. If the concern remains after the inspection, connect the diagnostic tool to the data link connector (DLC) located beneath the instrument panel and select the vehicle to be tested from the diagnostic tool menu. If the diagnostic tool does not communicate with the vehicle:
      • check that the program card is correctly installed.
      • check the connections to the vehicle.
      • check the ignition switch position.
    1. If the diagnostic tool still does not communicate with the vehicle, refer to the diagnostic tool operarting manual.
    1. Carry out the diagnostic tool data link test. If the diagnostic tool responds with:
      • CAN or ISO circuit fault; all electronic control units no response/not equipped, refer to Section 418-00 .
      • No response/not equipped for the instrument cluster, refer to Section 413-01 . For smart junction box (SJB), refer to Section 419-10 .
      • System passed, retrieve and record the continuous diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs), erase the continuous DTCs, and carry out self test diagnostics for the instrument cluster and for the SJB.
    1. If the DTCs retrieved are related to the concern, go to the Instrument Cluster Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Index or the Smart Junction Box (SJB) Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Index to continue diagnostics.
    1. If no DTCs related to the concern are retrieved, proceed to the Symptom Chart.
    Smart Junction Box (SJB) Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Index DTC Description Source Action B1342 SJB is Defective SJB INSTALL a new SJB. REFER to Section 419-10 . B1352 Ignition Key-In Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test B . B1577 Lamp Park Input Circuit Short to Battery SJB Go To Pinpoint Test E . C1167 Park Brake Actuator Assembly Switch Released Circuit Short to Ground
    • The head/parking lamps ON chime is inoperative
    • Headlamp switch
    • Circuitry
    • LF door open warning switch
    • Smart junction box (SJB)
    • Instrument cluster
    • Go To Pinpoint Test C .
  • your best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop .
  • There is no chime module just for the headlamp on warning .
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Is the 4 way flasher switch a spst that triggers abrelay? I have a 2010 F150

the 2009 + MY F-150 has been changed a lot from the previous MY F-150s.

The MFS ( MultiFunction Switch ) now is only signaling the SJB ( Smart Junction Box aka Cab fuse panel ) as to which side needs to flash. The SJB flashes the correct side ( L or R or both ).

What this means is '09+ MY, no more flasher relay.
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My 2006 lincoln zephyr's front blinkers quit working and the drivers side front parking light stays on after you shut the engine off.I tried all the fuses I was told to check. I am afraid the battery is...

covered under my warranty. Do you have extended warranty ? Regular warranty was up long time ago . You mite check anyway. This is a electronic problem , SJB - smart junction box is a electronic module that controls the lights . Principles of Operation
The smart junction box (SJB) monitors the headlamp switch position by sending multiple voltage reference signals to the headlamp switch. When the headlamp switch is in any given position, that input signal is routed to ground.
When the SJB receives an input from the headlamp switch indicating a request for the parking lamps, the SJB energizes the parking lamp relay, which supplies voltage to the exterior lamps.

Inspection and Verification
  1. Verify the customer concern.
  1. Visually inspect the following for obvious signs of mechanical or electrical damage.


Visual Inspection Chart Mechanical Electrical
  • Headlamp switch
  • Smart junction box (SJB) fuse 4 (15A) (parking lamps)
  • SJB
  • Rear lamp assembly
  • Bulb(s)
  • Circuitry

  1. If an obvious cause for an observed or reported concern is found, correct the cause (if possible) before proceeding to the next step.
NOTE: Make sure the headlamp switch is in the OFF position.
NOTE: Make sure the multifunction switch is in the LOW BEAM position.
  1. If the cause is not visually evident, connect the diagnostic tool to the data link connector (DLC) and select the vehicle to be tested from the diagnostic tool menu. If the diagnostic tool does not communicate with the vehicle:
    • check that the program card is correctly installed.
    • check the connections to the vehicle.
    • check the ignition switch position.
  1. If the diagnostic tool still does not communicate with the vehicle, refer to the diagnostic tool operating manual.
  1. Carry out the diagnostic tool data link test. If the diagnostic tool responds with:
    • CAN or ISO circuit fault; all electronic control units no response/not equipped, refer to Section 418-00 .
    • No response/not equipped for SJB, refer to Section 419-10 .
    • System passed, retrieve and record the continuous diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs), erase the continuous DTCs and carry out the self-test diagnostics for the SJB.
  1. If the DTCs retrieved are related to the concern, go to the Smart Junction Box (SJB) Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Index.
  1. If no DTCs related to the concern are retrieved, GO to Symptom Chart .
Principles of Operation
The smart junction box (SJB) monitors the multifunction switch position by sending multiple voltage reference signals to the multifunction switch. When the multifunction switch is in the LH or RH TURN positions, or the hazard lamp switch is engaged, that input signal is routed to ground.
When the SJB receives a request for a turn signal or hazard lamps, the SJB supplies voltage to the appropriate turn lamps.
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