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My 528i cooling system over-pressurizes after starting from cold and ejects coolant thru the expansion cap release. Once the system is hot and running the car drives without a problem, with the temperature gauge right on the centre. The thermostat has been replaced, and tests done for head gasket leak ( no problem ) and the cooling system also passed a vacuum test (held vacuum overnight). The problem only occurs when the car is started from cold, and it seems as though water is not circulating so the head overheats and steam causes the high pressure. I have tried to ensure the system is fully bled but this does not seem to solve this problem. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Is your expansion tank original? At 13 years of age, it is just about due to start crumbling inside, and when that happens, air gets in to the cooling system and odd things start happening. I have not heard of this exact symptom before, but my money is on the expansion tank. If you decide to try a new one, cut open the old one and see if the tube inside it is crumbling. If so, I think you found your problem.

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