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Harmonic balancer bolt is torqued to specs, but there is still play in the pulley.

The serpentine belts came off while driving and the crankshaft bolt was loose, I took it apart and put everything back together, now there is still play in the harmonic balancer.

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Harmonic balancer bolt is torqued to specs, but th - 23880111-k0la5llha3vhnr1ljv3tx424-5-1.jpgYour pulley has a woodruff key like the one in the photo. In order to have zero play, you need to replace the key and the harmonic balancer

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jan 17, 2009

SOURCE: V groove pulley slipped off of harmonic balancer of 1999 Grand Am

After checking around, I decided to replace the harmonic balancer. I had a repair shop fix it for me and I think they over charged for the part. But, at least I'm on the road again. This Grand Am has 227,000 miles and still runs pretty good. 

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  • Posted on Oct 15, 2009

SOURCE: H23 92 Prelude - Crank Pulley fell off

Make sure you check timing and the belt. if it spun don't risk putting it back on. Hope you got a new key. TIMING is important so you don't stick a valve through the top of your piston

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Dec 28, 2009

SOURCE: balancer shaft came apart

Sounds like the harmonic balancer - that also serves as the timing on a non distributor car has stripped the threads out. This usually - not always but usually requires a new crank shaft. Might be cheaper to just get a used engine.
take down the vin number and ask the local dealer if there have been any recalls or service bulletins

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jan 22, 2010

SOURCE: crankshaft pulley keeps coming loose

was the threads clean and dry of oil? thread locker needs to be a lone substance...no presence of oil, ...there technically is even a primer for thread lock.....bolt may be a torque to yeild bolt which means replace it every time its loosened...... both sets of threads must be dry and clean ,
and use a torque wrench to assure its correct torque

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Dec 29, 2012

SOURCE: torque spec for 1RZ harmonic balancer

how can i set a toyota 1rz engine on timing

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My crank pulley is loose on 2009 jeep Cherokee how do I tighten

There is one bolt in center of pulley/harmonic balancer. Sounds like the harmonic balancer has started going bad..if bolt in center of pulley is loose...which is fairly uncommon tighten which you just tighten Iike any other bolt. If it is tight then you will need the replacement. Replacement is a good bit more involved. Radiator has to be removed, special tool, harmonic balancer pulley remover is required..it will remove pulley. Then you line up pulley with keyway..tap on with rubber hammer until pulley is on far enough for bolt to be started..tighten the bolt and it pulls the pulley all the way into place.
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Replacing the Crankshaft and Camshaft sensors on a 1991 and later Buick Park...

If your car is misfiring in a rhythmical pattern when you first start it up for the day or dieing when engine is hot, it could mean your Camshaft or Crankshaft sensors need replacement.
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Important, disconnect negative cable from the battery before doing any work on electrical system. Wear safety goggles.

Tools recommended:
Break Bar, Torque Wrench, ratchet driver and a full metrics ratchet socket set, one Q tip, large straight blade screwdriver, ratchet extension and adapters if needed.

First we'll start with the easiest and cheapest of the two sensors.

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Replacing the camshaft sensor:

The camshaft sensor is located on the right side of the engine, behind the water pump pulley.

1. Loosen the screws to the water pump pulley with a breaker bar before removing the serpentine belt. Always turn counter clockwise to loosen.

2.Remove the serpentine belt via the belt tension-er.

3.Use a regular ratchet driver to finish removing the belt pulley from the water pump.

4.Remove the bolt holding the camshaft sensor in place and disconnect electrical connector. Secure the connector with a clothes pin so you don't lose it down in the engine compartment. Clean around the sensor to avoid getting dirt in the engine.

5. Pull the camshaft sensor straight out with a slight twisting motion.

6. Lightly lubricate the O-Ring on the new sensor with fresh motor oil, and install in the engine.

7. installation is the reverse of removal.

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Crankshaft
Sensor:

1. Jack up the front passenger side of the car and safely support it on jack-stands.

2.Remove the tire, remove the inner tire well splash guard cover.

3.Before removing serpentine belt, loosen the center bolt on the harmonic balancer/vibration dampener. (crankshaft pulley)

4. Remove serpentine belt via the belt tensioner.

5.Finish loosening and remove the bolt from the harmonic balancer.
Have an assistant help you, using care not to let the weight of the harmonic balancer rest on the bolt as it can be damaged. Gently pry it of with a straight blade screwdriver. Leave the woodruff key in the crankshaft. Use care to not damage the crankshaft during removal as oil leakage could result. Mark the relationship between the crankshaft and the pulley, so you will be able to line the pulley up just right during re -installation.

6. Disconnect the electrical connector from the crankshaft sensor, secure the connector with clothes pin and loosen the bolts holding the sensor pedestal in place.

7.Separate the old sensor from the pedestal, and install the new sensor, just the same way the old sensor came out. Using the suggested crankshaft sensor alignment tool on the back of the harmonic balancer, making sure the fins on the harmonic balancer pass through the sensor's slot and don't hit it. If any fins on the back side of the harmonic balancer are bent, damaged, or missing, replace the harmonic balancer assembly.

Installation is the reverse of removal. It is imperative the crankshaft sensor be aligned properly before engine start up to avoid damage. Use care not to over tighten bolts during installation. Always tighten to manufacturer's recommended torque.

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How to replace crankpully on 3300 olbs

The harmonic balancer on these engines is now press fit onto the crankshaft and requires the use of Tool J-38197 for removal. The torque specification to be used during installation has also been revised. The procedure to be used when replacing the crank sensor is as follows:

REMOVAL






  1. Disconnect serpentine belt from crankshaft pulley.


  2. Raise vehicle on hoist.


  3. Remove right front tire and wheel assembly.


  4. Remove right inner fender access cover.


  5. Using 28 mm socket, remove crankshaft harmonic balancer retaining bolt.


  6. Remove crankshaft harmonic balancer using Tool (J-38197).


  7. Remove foreign object deflector (DO NOT use pry bar).


  8. Disconnect sensor electrical connector.


  9. Remove sensor and pedestal from block face.


  10. Remove sensor from pedestal




INSTALLATION






  1. Loosely install crankshaft sensor on pedestal.


  2. Position sensor with pedestal attached on Tool J-37089.


  3. Position tool on crankshaft.


  4. Install bolts to hold pedestal to block face, torque to (18-26 lb. ft.).


  5. Torque pedestal pinch bolt to (26-44 lbs. in.).


  6. Remove Tool J-37089.


  7. Install foreign object deflector.


  8. Place Tool J-37089 on harmonic balancer and turn. If any vane of the harmonic balancer touches the tool, replace the balancer assembly.


  9. Install balancer on crankshaft.


  10. Apply thread sealer GM #(NNN) NNN-NNNNor equivalent to threads of crankshaft balancer bolt. Torque bolt to + 56 degrees (104 lb. ft. + 56 degrees).


  11. Install inner fender shield.


  12. Install tire and wheel assembly. Torque lug nuts to (104 lb. ft.).


  13. Lower vehicle.


  14. Install serpentine belt.
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Torque specs

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1) Install the crankshaft pulley.
2) Install the pulley bolt.
To lock the crankshaft, use ST.
ST 499977400 CRANKSHAFT PULLEY
WRENCH
(1) Clean the crankshaft pulley thread using an
air gun.
(2) Apply engine oil to the crankshaft pulley bolt
seat and thread.
(3) Tighten the bolts temporarily with tightening
torque of 44 N·m (4.5 kgf-m, 33 ft-lb).
(4) Tighten the crankshaft pulley bolts.
Tightening torque:
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Snapped crankshaft pulley bolt

does this model have a woodruff key in the pulley mated to the crankshaft it mounts to? if so, the key may be worn down.
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I have a 1999 Chrysler Cirrus. The serpentine belt came off that goes to the alternator and the air conditioner unit, I was told by a mechanic that the dampner pulley is bad. Some autopart sites have a...

Hi, assuming you have the 2.5 liter engine, your damper is integral to the pulley assembly as shown in the second figure below, so there is only one part involved. You can see an example of the part here: http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/Dorman-Harmonic-Balancer/1999-Chrysler-Cirrus/_/N-jddk1Z93y2h?counter=0&itemIdentifier=917091_0_0_
If you look carefully at the pic below, you can see the rubber torus inside the pulley. The rubber is what fails and causes the pulley to wobble. You may need to borrow a puller to get the pulley off.

2.5L Engine
  1. Before servicing the vehicle, refer to the Precautions section.
  2. Disconnect battery negative cable from remote negative terminal on shock tower and properly isolate to prevent accidental reconnection.
  3. Remove or disconnect the following:

    Belt splash shield Accessory drive belts. Refer to Belts. Crankshaft center bolt and remove crankshaft damper.

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    Fig. Splash shield removal-2.5L engine

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    Fig. Crank damper and bolt- 2.5L engine

To install:
  1. Clean crankshaft snout and crankshaft damper bore.
  2. Install or connect the following:

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Where is the crankshaft sensor on a 3.8L in a 97 buick lesaber

Hi,
The sensor is located to the right of the crankshaft behind the vibration dampner (harmonic balancer). You will need a balancer puller and a special tool to space the new sensor correctly.
(can be done also with eye spacing, but the tool is recommended to ensure proper spacing as to prevent damage to new sensor and / or harmonic balancer.) You will also need a strap wrench to hold balancer pulley in place while removing and re-installing balancer to crankshaft bolt. (helper required)

Procedure for replacement:
Remove negative battery cable.
Set parking (emergency) brake.
Release tension on serpentine drive belt and remove belt from harmonic balancer pulley. ( large pulley at bottom of engine)
Break loose lug nuts on passenger side front tire, do not remove bolts yet.
Raise and support vehicle on passenger side, remove wheel.
Remove plastic splash guard (cover) from passenger side wheel well.
Remove dampner / balancer center retaining bolt (counterclockwise, it is torqued very tight.) Use a strap wrench around pulley and have a helper hold that in place while using a 1/2" breaker bar and socket to turn pulley bolt out of crankshaft. Be careful not to rotate engine in a counterclockwise direction while breaking the bolt loose.
Using balancer puller, remove dampner / balancer pulley from engine.
You will now see the crank sensor to the right of the crankshaft bolted to the timing cover.
Disconnect sensor wiring and remove retaining bolts, remove sensor.
Put new sensor in place and screw in bolts, do not tighten them yet.
Reconnect wiring to sensor.
Now use special tool to properly space sensor. If you cannot find one at the parts store, you can space the sensor with the balancer pully held in place (not installed yet) and space the sensor evenly with the veins on the hub of the balancer pulley. Take your time and be sure it is as evenly spaced as possible.
Tighten sensor bolts.
Clean balancer hub free of any oil and dirt deposits using brake or carbeurator cleaner.
Reinstall balancer to crankshaft by tapping around the inner surface of pulley with a rubber hammer.
It is a press fit, so be sure you have it started evenly and progress slowly in a circular motion to ensure you are keeping it aligned straight with the crankshaft.
Reinstall balancer bolt using the same method as removal, torque bolt to 110 foot pounds, then tap around balancer again twice with rubber hammer, turn the engine 2 full revolutions clockwise using the balancer to crankshaft bolt, then tighten bolt an additional 1/4 turn.
Replace splash guard, put wheel on tightening lugs to finger tight and then wrench tight in a star pattern.
Lower vehicle until wheel makes contact with floor, tighten lug nuts to 115 foot pounds in a star pattern using a torque wrench.
Fully lower vehicle, remove jack.
Re-install serpentine drive belt
Re-connect negative battery cable.

End of procedure....Hope that helps!.....Mike
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Crankshaft sensor on a Monte Carlo 2001 SS 3.8 where is this on the car and how to replace it?

3.8L Engine
  1. Turn OFF the ignition.
  2. Remove the serpentine belts from the crankshaft pulley.
  3. Raise the vehicle.
  4. Remove the right front wheel and tire assembly.
  5. Remove the right inner fender access cover.
  6. Hold the flywheel with a (J 37096) flywheel holding tool.
  7. Using 28 mm socket, remove the crankshaft harmonic balancer retaining bolt.
  8. Remove the crankshaft harmonic balancer, using a (J 38197-A) balancer remover.
  9. Remove the crankshaft position sensor shield (1). Do not use a pry bar.
  10. Disconnect the sensor electrical connector.
  11. Remove the attaching bolts from the crankshaft position sensor.
  12. Remove the crankshaft position sensor from the block face.
To install:
  1. Position the crankshaft position (CKP) sensor to the block.
  2. Install the bolts to hold the CKP sensor to the block face. Tighten the bolts to 14-28 ft. lbs. (20-40 Nm).
  3. Reinstall the crankshaft position sensor shield.
  4. Connect the CKP sensor electrical connector.
  5. Position the crankshaft harmonic balancer on the crankshaft.
  6. Hold the flywheel with a (J 37096) flywheel holding tool.
  7. Using a (J 36660-A) torque/angle meter, tighten the harmonic balancer bolt to 110 ft. lbs. (150 Nm), plus an additional 76 degrees.
  8. Install the right inner fender access cover.
  9. Install the right front wheel and tire assembly.
  10. Tighten the wheel nuts to 104 ft. lbs. (140 Nm.).
  11. Lower the vehicle.
  12. Reinstall the serpentine belts.

It looks like this:

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Crankshaft Position Sensor and Camshaft Position Sensor

REMOVE OR DISCONNECT

  1. Serpentine belt from the crankshaft pulley.
  2. Raise the vehicle on a hoist.
  3. Right front tire and wheel assembly.
  4. Right inner fender access cover.
  5. Using a 28 mm socket, remove the crankshaft harmonic balancer retaining bolt.
  6. Crankshaft harmonic balancer using tool J 38192 or equivalent.
  7. Sensor electrical connector.
  8. Foreign object deflector.
  9. Sensor and pedestal from block face.
  10. Sensor from pedestal.
INSTALL OR CONNECT:

  1. Loosely install the crankshaft sensor on the pedestal.
  2. Position the sensor with pedestal attached on special Tool J 37089.
  3. Position the special tool on the crankshaft.
  4. Bolts to hold the pedestal to the block face, torque to 20-40 Nm (14-28 lb.ft).
  5. Torque the pedestal pinch bolt to 3-4 Nm (38-40 lb.in).
  6. Remove special tool J 37089.
  7. Place the special tool 37089 on the harmonic balancer and turn. If any vane of the harmonic balancer touches the tool, replace the balancer assembly.
  8. Balancer on the crankshaft.
    • Apply thread sealer (GM 1052080) or equivalent to the threads of the balancer bolt.
  1. Torque the crankshaft bolt to 140 Nm + 56°(104 lb.ft + 56°).
  2. Foreign object deflector.
  3. Electrical connector.
  4. Inner fender shield.
  5. Tire and wheel assembly, torque to 140 Nm (104 lb.ft).
  6. Lower the vehicle.
  7. Serpentine belt.
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