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Dusty Barwald Posted on Apr 13, 2014

The odometer/speedometer input is seized on my instrument cluster, what should I do?

Just bought the bike not too long ago and the odometer doesn't work, took apart everything and found out the cluster input for the cable is rusted and seized, any advice?

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I would replace it with an eBay guaranteed working unit with similar mileage reading, and replace the speedo cable for good measure.
All the best!

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You can take it to a reputable mechanic, who you trust and they can inspect it to determine if the 6500 miles is realistic. Also, you can get a free history of your exact machine by going to this website and filling in the information.

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  • Posted on Mar 22, 2009

SOURCE: Speedometer/odometer not working, can I get troubleshooting info?

you mean all lights work but speed needle don't move, its a cable problem, maybe broken or come loose from speedo. remove 3 hex screws from chrome trim on gas tank and see if it has come unscrewed, if not undo it and spin front wheel and see if the end of cable turns, it should unless its broken.

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Gino Cussen

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  • Posted on Mar 19, 2009

SOURCE: speedometer not working properly 2003 v-max

Easily checked. Get a friend to drive at an indicated speed in a car or another bike. Good reference point. If the speedo is driven by a cable remove at both ends and inspect for frayed wires on the inner cable. Just slide it out of the outer housing.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Mar 09, 2010

SOURCE: my gauge cluster is out. Speedometer, odometer,

Those gauge heads tend to oxidize easily and can be cleaned with a good contact cleaner and a little elbow grease. Pipe cleaners and emery cloth make this easier to do.

Joe H.

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  • Posted on Mar 22, 2010

SOURCE: My speedometer, trip odometer, and odometer went

check fuses, wire plug sockets and ground wires,display and dummy lites on different fuses

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  • Powertrain control module (PCM)
  • Instrument cluster
  • Go To Pinpoint Test F .

Pinpoint Test F: The Speedometer/Odometer Is Inoperative
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    Possible Causes
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  • instrument cluster
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  • Check for the recorded PCM DTCs from the continuous and on-demand self-tests.
  • Are any PCM DTCs recorded?
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REFER to the Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual to continue diagnosis of the DTCs.

No
For an inoperative speedometer, GO to F2 .

For an inoperative odometer, GO to F3 . F2 CARRY OUT THE INSTRUMENT CLUSTER SPEEDOMETER GAUGE ACTIVE COMMAND USING THE DIAGNOSTIC TOOL
  • Key in ON position.
  • Enter the following diagnostic mode on the diagnostic tool: Instrument Cluster Active Command.
  • Select the instrument cluster speedometer gauge active command. Trigger the active command on. Observe the speedometer gauge. The speedometer gauge should start 16 km/h (10 mph) and move to 194 km/h (120 mph).
  • Is the speedometer gauge within specifications?
Yes
GO to F4 .

No
GO to F5 . F3 MONITOR THE INTEGRATED CIRCUIT DISPLAYS
  • Key in ON position.
  • Monitor the compass, air temperature and message center functions of the integrated circuit display.
  • Do the compass, air temperature, or message center displays operate correctly?
Yes
GO to F5 .

No
Go To Pinpoint Test U to continue diagnosis of the integrated circuit display. F4 CHECK FOR CORRECT PCM OPERATION
  • Disconnect all the PCM connectors.
  • Check for:
    • corrosion
    • pushed-out pins
  • Connect all the PCM connectors and make sure they seat correctly.
  • Operate the system and verify the concern is still present.
  • Is the concern still present?
Yes
INSTALL a new PCM. REFER to Section 303-14 . TEST the system for normal operation.

No
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  • Disconnect all the instrument cluster connectors.
  • Check for:
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    • pushed-out pins
  • Connect all the instrument cluster connectors and make sure they seat correctly.
  • Operate the system and verify the concern is still present.
  • Is the concern still present?
Yes
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No
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  • Are any PCM DTCs recorded?
Yes
REFER to the Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual.

No
GO to E2 . E2 CARRY OUT THE INSTRUMENT CLUSTER SPEEDOMETER OUTPUT STATE CONTROL USING THE SCAN TOOL
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  • Disconnect the instrument cluster connector.
  • Check for:
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    • damaged pins
    • pushed-out pins
  • Connect the instrument cluster connector and make sure it seats correctly.
  • Operate the system and verify the concern is still present.
  • Is the concern still present?
Yes
INSTALL a new instrument cluster. REFER to Instrument Cluster in this section. TEST the system for normal operation.

No
The system is operating correctly at this time. The concern may have been caused by a loose or corroded connector. E5 CHECK FOR CORRECT PCM OPERATION
  • Disconnect all the PCM connectors.
  • Check for:
    • corrosion
    • damaged pins
    • pushed-out pins
  • Connect all the PCM connectors and make sure they seat correctly.
  • Operate the system and verify the concern is still present.
  • Is the concern still present?
Yes
INSTALL a new PCM. REFER to Section 303-14 . TEST the system for normal operation.

No
The system is operating correctly at this time. The concern may have been caused by a loose or corroded connector. Good luck !
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  • The speedometer/odometer is inoperative
  • Circuitry.
  • Powertrain control module (PCM).
  • Instrument cluster.
  • Go To Pinpoint Test L .
PINPOINT TEST L: THE SPEEDOMETER/ODOMETER IS INOPERATIVE Test Step Result / Action to Take L1 RETRIEVE THE RECORDED DTCS FROM BOTH CONTINUOUS AND ON-DEMAND INSTRUMENT CLUSTER SELF-TESTS
  • Use the recorded instrument cluster DTCs from the continuous and on-demand self-tests.
  • Are any instrument cluster DTCs recorded?
Yes
If instrument cluster U1123 is retrieved, REFER to Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual to continue diagnosis.

For all other instrument cluster DTCs, REFER to the Instrument Cluster Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Index.

No
For inoperative speedometer, GO to L2 .

For inoperative odometer, GO to L3 . L2 CARRY OUT THE SPEEDOMETER ACTIVE COMMAND USING THE DIAGNOSTIC TOOL
  • Connect the diagnostic tool.
  • Key in ON position.
  • Enter the following diagnostic mode on the diagnostic tool: Instrument Cluster Active Command.
  • Select the instrument cluster speedometer active command.
  • Trigger the speedometer and scroll in increments of 10% while monitoring the speedometer. The speedometer should increase in increments of approximately 20 km/h (12 mph) for each 10% change.
  • Does the speedometer increase within specifications?
Yes
REFER to Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual to continue diagnosis.

No
GO to L4 . L3 MONITOR THE INTEGRATED CIRCUIT DISPLAYS
  • Key in ON position.
  • Monitor the compass, air temperature and message center functions of the integrated circuit display.
  • Do the compass, air temperature or message center displays operate correctly?
Yes
GO to L4 .

No
Go To Pinpoint Test AE . L4 CHECK FOR CORRECT INSTRUMENT CLUSTER OPERATION
  • Disconnect all instrument cluster connectors.
  • Check for:
    • corrosion
    • pushed-out pins
  • Connect all instrument cluster connectors and make sure they seat correctly.
  • Operate the system and verify the concern is still present.
  • Is the concern still present?
Yes
INSTALL a new instrument cluster. REFER to Instrument Cluster in this section. TEST the system for normal operation.

No
The system is operating correctly at this time. The concern may have been caused by a loose or corroded connector. CLEAR the DTCs. REPEAT the self-test. There isn't a fuse just for the speedometer , there are four fuse for the whole instrument cluster . If one of these fuse's were burnt you would have more then just the speedometer not working ! You need to have a scan tool to find out what is up ! you could need a new cluster ! Is the check engine light on ? if not wouldn't think vehicle speed sensor bad , besides speed info for speedometer PCM uses for transmission shift points ! Good luck ,hope this helps !
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Speedometer, Odometer and Trip Odometer are driven by same circuit. Failure of Odometer and Trip Odometer suggests a circuit board fault on the instrument panel. A used instrument panel or repair of yours is probabaly best options.

The speedometer should malfunction too if speed sensor failed. If only the odometer and trip meter stopped working, it will most likely be the cluster itself. I had this problem, but since took the cluster out and give it a nice tap/knock, put it back in and it has worked since. Keep in mind that the VSS provides signal input to circuit that drives speedometer.

Instrument panel removal is not hard if you follow the shop manual instructions for trim removal. I've done it once on my 2.5TL to replace the D4 light bulb. PM your email address and I'll forward the pdf files for the procedure. The Vehicle Speed Sensor goes into the differential, and is what makes your speedometer and odometers work. If that fails, then your D4 light should start flashing, and either the speedometer will be bouncy or not work at all. Perhaps he forgot that 1Gs have a differential, so he said the tranny, but it's in the diff.

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The speedommeter and odometer is not working on my Honda VT125C4 motorbike. Odometer reads 642 miles.

There should be a speedometer drive cable that runs from the instrument cluster to the front wheel of the bike.

- Make sure the cable is connected both at the instrument cluster, and at the speedometer drive gear on the front axle, between the wheel and the fork.

- Ensure the drive cable is not broken - this may not be apparent by simply looking at the outside of the sheath. You may need to remove the cable and ensure that there are no breaks inside the sheath.

- Ensure that the speedometer drive gear is not worn or broken. This will require removing the front tire and disassembling the speedometer drive gear box.

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1995 Cougar Odometer/trip-meter inop

Section 13-01: Instrument Cluster—Conventional 1995 Thunderbird, Cougar Workshop Manual REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION Instrument Cluster Removal and Installation
  1. Disconnect battery ground cable (14301) .
  1. Remove screws holding instrument panel reinforcement (017A28) .
  1. Remove screws holding instrument panel lower shield (045G02) .
  1. Remove fasteners holding steering wheel column as outlined in Section 11-04 . Gently lower steering column.
  1. Remove fasteners holding the instrument panel finish panel (044D70) and gently pry off.



  1. Remove four instrument cluster retaining screws. (Do not remove screws from the instrument cluster main lens (10887) and instrument cluster mask (10890) ).
  1. Slide the instrument cluster (10849) to the right of the instrument panel opening and unhook the instrument panel harness from the back of the instrument cluster .
  1. Remove the instrument cluster from the instrument panel (04320) .
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Speedometer/Odometer Federal law requires that the odometer in any replacement speedometer (17255) must register the same mileage as that registered in the removed speedometer . Since the speedometer mileage cannot be reset on this unit, affix odometer sticker to driver's door pillar and record original vehicle mileage. Removal
  1. Disconnect battery ground cable (14301) .
  1. Remove the instrument cluster (10849) as outlined.
  1. Remove seven screws retaining the instrument cluster mask (10890) and instrument cluster main lens (10887) .
  1. Remove speedometer assembly.
Installation
  1. Position the speedometer assembly to the instrument cluster back plate (10848) and install.
  1. Position the instrument cluster mask and instrument cluster main lens to the instrument cluster back plate and install the seven retaining screws.
  1. Install the instrument cluster as outlined.
  1. Connect battery ground cable and check the operation of the speedometer .
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