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Generator for a 1954 Studebaker is not charging.

I opened the generator and found that only one brush has been in contact with the commutator bars. Also, the commutator bars are black and there is limited undercutting. I have opened up the slots on the commutator bars and cleaned them up. My question: should there be a connection between the commutators? I used a multi meter and found there is a connection between them all. Also, only one brush is connected. Should they both be connected or will simply grounding the one brush be sufficient?

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No, every other one of the commutator contacts should be connected. In other words, if there are 12 total, 6 will have continuity with each other and the other 6 will have continuity with each other.

One brush is positive and one brush is negative. The negative brush lead will usually ground to the generator case. The positive lead will go through an insulated stud in the case, connect to a wire and run to the voltage regulator.

If all the commutator bars have continuity to one another, the commutator is shorted and no good.
Hope this helps, let me know.
Regards,

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