Heating & Cooling Logo

Related Topics:

Anonymous Posted on Feb 15, 2010

I have a 3 ton Rheem heat pump that calls for about 225# pressure on the high side at about 40 degrees outside with tstat set at 70 degrees indoor.... I am confused as to why both sides of the manifold gages read the same?? Presently I have about 190 lbs (on both gages) and the output line (large line in heat mode) is only about 90-95 degrees and rule of thumb is that it should be about 100 degrees over the ambient temp; ie about 140.... Would good advice be to add more freeon? Also, if there was some air in the unit, could that cause this condition?? Also, is there some way to get the air out short of purging and pumping a vaccum?? Please advise, Thx

  • 2 more comments 
  • Anonymous Feb 15, 2010

    I have the gage lines attached to the shrader valves on each of the original charging valve bodies, ie, one on the low side and one on the high side. Actually I origially had the left gage on the big tube but later swapped them and still have the same presssures on each... question is why the same pressure and yet the thing does produce heat but not as much as it should with this level of pressure.

  • Anonymous Feb 17, 2010

    Your questions are similar to what I was thinking. Not sure what type of compressor is in it and I have no good means of measuring the temps other than an outdoor therometer that I have... I reversed the diverter switch and tested it for operation by switching the system to a/c. The small tube did not heat up as in the ac mode (as it does in the summer) and I could not feel any hot air coming from the outdoor fan while in a/c mode ; also, I removed one leg of the switch and it did not click as it does when in the heat mode. Perhaps the switch has a spring loaded in the cylinoid core to keep the contacts open when in the a/c mode? When in the heat mode, and I pulled off one leg of the switch, it clicked and I could feel the click was good and strong and the big line heats up as it should when heating and the small tube was cold.. The hot tube is about 95 degrees and the small tube is about 50-60 degrees. Also, when pulling off the switch leg in heat mode, the sound is like it performing the defrost cycle, although, perhaps not as loud.
    From this I am suspicious of the heat-a/c mode switch but not sure how to further ck it. Suggestions?
    Thanks,

  • Anonymous Feb 25, 2010

    OK ... Progress? I lost my charge due to leaking gage line overnight... Had about 5 lbs and shut off small tube hex close valve and opened the high side to purge the remaining charge (in heat mode) into my can in a bucket of ice... captured this but have only about 1/4 tank left to recharge thesystem.... The system cut off when pressure got too low and then I recharged with what I had in the can... now I have in heat mode... 25lbs on low side and 150lbs on the high side... not the prescribed lbs.... I am also getting freeze over on the condenser coiles at the top 1/4 of the outdoor unit. I presume I need more freeon; but wonder if this will cure the freeze over condition or if my defrost circuitry also needs further testing.

  • Anonymous Feb 25, 2010

    PS. I think the reversing valve is operating properly.

×

1 Answer

Bill Long

Level 3:

An expert who has achieved level 3 by getting 1000 points

All-Star:

An expert that got 10 achievements.

MVP:

An expert that got 5 achievements.

Guru:

An expert who has written 7 tips or uploaded 3 video tips

  • Master 606 Answers
  • Posted on Feb 15, 2010
Bill Long
Master
Level 3:

An expert who has achieved level 3 by getting 1000 points

All-Star:

An expert that got 10 achievements.

MVP:

An expert that got 5 achievements.

Guru:

An expert who has written 7 tips or uploaded 3 video tips

Joined: Mar 17, 2009
Answers
606
Questions
1
Helped
273988
Points
1197

Where are you connecting the gauges? It sounds like you have both gages on the high pressure side. You can't hook the suction gauge to the Big line on a heatpump because that is high pressure in the heating mode. There should be another tap that says low side or low pressure, that's where you hook the suction gauge. As for adding more refrigerant, I wouldn't do that until I measure the subcooling.
If you charge it in heating unless you weigh it in you want about 10° to 15° subcooling. Then this summer you need to check the subcooling at about 95° outdoor ambient then charge it to about 10° to 15° subcooling in the cooling mode and that should be the correct charge.

  • Bill Long Feb 17, 2010

    Can you get the suction temperature and pressure at the compressor and can you get liquid temperature and pressure at the outdoor unit.

    What kind of compressor, Scroll, Reciprocating or Rotary?

    You might try shifting from heat to cool while the unit is running, you can do this by jumpering the reversing valve and removing the jumper to see if this will help and if the reversing valve is shifting.

    There's several possibilities to the equalized pressure. Bad check valve, suction or discharge valves in compressor bad, reversing valve stuck in the center and metering device wide open.

  • Bill Long Feb 21, 2010

    I haven’t really thought about what really happens inside a reversing valve for quite a few years now but I will try to explain it in general to you the best I can.

    First the reversing valve determines heat or cool, when voltage is applied to the coil it is energized, and it is in one of the modes heat or cool and when the voltage is removed it is in the other mode. Some are energized in heat and some in cool depending on manufacturer. When you energize the reversing valve, you are actually applying a voltage to a coil, creating a magnetic field to the valve, shifting a spring loaded pin, to open a pilot tube and close another pilot tube and allow the discharge pressure to flow to one end of the valve causing it to shift the valve. When you remove the voltage there is no more magnetic fields so the spring loaded pin shifts back closing that pilot tube and opens the other, shifting the valve in the other direction.

    Now, if you are in heat and the big line is warm, then when you shift it to cool the big line will be cold. If this is right then the reversing valve is working and ok. That would leave the compressor or check valve. Put your hoses on the big and little lines on the unit and run the unit in cooling and see if you’re high and low pressures are different. You may have to take some plastic trash bags and put around your condenser coil to block off some air to get your head pressure up. See if you can get the head up to around 225# or more, that should keep the suction pressure above 60#, high enough that the low pressure switch won’t open and shut your unit down. If you pressures look normal in cooling then it would probably be a check valve or something bypassing the TXV.

    Can you look inside the unit and make sure the low side gage / hose is going to the suction line between the compressor and the center tube on the reversing valve? That is the only place you can measure the low side pressure.

    I hope this helps.

×

Add Your Answer

×

Uploading: 0%

my-video-file.mp4

Complete. Click "Add" to insert your video. Add

×

Loading...
Loading...

Related Questions:

0helpful
1answer

Whatis ideal r22 gas pressure required in 1 ton split ac of BlueStar.

Doesn't matter how big the unit is, pressures remain the same. On a satisfied temperature, approximately 75 degrees, r22 should be around 65 psi. The hotter the house, the higher the pressure. Head pressure varies on outdoor temperature. 90 degrees outdoor temp, approximately 200 to 225 psi on high side.

If you need further help, reach me via phone at https://www.6ya.com/expert/thomas_092728000e6acb79

0helpful
1answer

Ok. heatpump change out, 17 year old rheem to adp air handler and weather king heatpump 3 ton outdoor. The wiring from the thermostat is killing me in the attic. I got the cooling side to work, and also...

If your heat strips come on with out the fan then you need to change the settings on the tstat for electric heat rather than gas. Or change the setting to where the tstat controls the fan. But, sounds to me like you have your tstat miswired. Did you wire in the reversing valve? Is the valve energized in heating or cooling? Tell me what colors land where at all three locations.

If you need further help, reach me via phone at https://www.6ya.com/expert/thomas_092728000e6acb79

0helpful
1answer

Charging chart missing. Goodman 4-ton AC (model CK 49-18) What are the high and low suction pressures at 90 degrees F?

Hello, if this is a R-22 unit your low side should between 70-75 psig and high side should be between 225-230psig. But keep in mind always measure the superheat if it is a fixed orifice and subcooling if it is a txv unit
1helpful
1answer

I am working on a M # GPG13420901AB. This is a 3.5 ton package unit that replaced a 3 ton package unit on 1700sq/ft single level home. Old unit was working fine but was replaced when the home was...

It sounds like you are low on charge. I think you have a thermostatic expansion valve and you need to check the subcooling, you should have 12 to 15 degrees at 95. At 95 degrees your head should be about 280# for a 12 or 13 SEER unit or higher depending on the effeciency. At 78 to 80 degrees indoor depending on the humidity, that is normal. The valve will open to try to fully feed your indoor coil and it sounds like your head pressure is to low to force enough refrigerant thru the coil.
0helpful
2answers

Problem for Goodman CKL60AR60 Air Conditioner, what should be the right pressure on low /high side

Hello my name is Heath it will be my pleasure to assist you. If you are talking about r-22 with an outside temperature of 75-80 degress farenheit it should be running between 62-68 on the low side and 200-225 on the high side but there are varibles to take into account like the air flow across the inside coil or a dirty evaporater just things to take into account these pressures are approximate if there are close it should be fine.
1helpful
1answer

Hello, I have a 1.5 ton rudd ac/heat pump

Your outside unit is not defrosting. You need to call a service tech to check it out. Defrost board sensor or low on gas. Also you amy have an outside tstat that is not working correctly. Rus
0helpful
1answer

I have a 2 ton Goodman heat pump. when it gets to the temp. it is set on it will not cut off. I can cut the thermostat back 2 degrees and it will cut off until it gets cold enough to come back on and then...

Heat pump have coeficient of performance. They are rated at about 60 degrees. So at 60 degrees you get 24,000 but the colder it gets the lower the rate 40 degrees18,000 and so on. Now on your Goodman depending how cold it is outside a heat pump reaches a balance where it runs all the time. That is if your heat pump is charged correctly. Your problem might be that it is a little low on Freon. Also your back up or auxillary heat to comes on to help keep up. On some tstats that is about 2 degrees behind the set temp. On digital tstats if the heat pump can not keep up it is about two minutes behind. I hope I have not confused you but it is better for the heat pump to run and pull 9 amps than the electric abck up to come on pull 9 plus 20 to 30 for the heat. Answer just have your charge checked ask for Service check special I have them with my company and it cost about 50.00 to check and clean systen Freon exrtra. Check your aair temp between the inlet and the closest outley should be at least 20 to 25 degree rise in temp. FEEDBACK WELOME Rus
0helpful
1answer

I am working on a GE Weathertron Heat pump (Mod# BWB924A100C1; Ser# 264082948). The complaint is it is not heating as well as it once was(running a long time to heat up house). I checked the pressure, the...

It is very hard to charge a heat pump in the heating mode. The pressures are low. It also depends on the outside ambient temp. If you can turn to cooling if inside temp is above 70 degrees. Take a piece of plastic and block condensor till you get your head pressure to about 235. Not discharge temp but liquid pressure near service valve. You do not have a TXV inside I believe. Get your suction pressure up a little more It is not to low on gas. If you have temp meter attatch a lead to suction line. Temo\p should be about 10 to 14 degrees difference Between suction temp and Temp on your suction gauge. If you need a charging chart I can fax you one. Rus
1helpful
1answer

A/c gauge readings in 90 degree heat

Your low side should be at 30 and high side at 225.
0helpful
1answer

Ruud heat pump high pressure cut off problem

That's going to be in your installer configuration. Check and make sure the G terminal has a wire connected to it at the tstat , and that connection it tight. In the configuration menu, make sure it is set for a heat pump, elected heat. It seems to me that the tstat doesn't know its connected to a heat pump. Should be able to locate aodel # for tstat on the back of it. And ask Mr. Google for a manual, if you don't have 1. Hope this helps!
Not finding what you are looking for?

786 views

Ask a Question

Usually answered in minutes!

Top Heating & Cooling Experts

Paul Carew

Level 3 Expert

3808 Answers

john h

Level 3 Expert

29494 Answers

Brad Brown

Level 3 Expert

19187 Answers

Are you a Heating and Cooling Expert? Answer questions, earn points and help others

Answer questions

Manuals & User Guides

Loading...