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Anonymous Posted on May 24, 2010

2000 Malibu Starts then looses fuel pressure I have replaced the fuel pump and the fuel pump relay still same problem

  • Anonymous May 24, 2010

    it has a new fuel filter too

  • Anonymous May 24, 2010

    there are no codes being thrown and I have a fuel pressure gauge hooked up to the rail I can see it looses pressure and can not hear the pump running

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Keep in mind that you have several components there:
- Fuel Pump Sender Assembly,
- Fuel Pressure Regulator,
- Fuel Rail Assembly, and
- Fuel Injectors.

1.- Fuel Pump (Sender Assembly) - TESTING
Refer to the accompanying charts for fuel pump diagnosis and testing.

The fuel injection system remains under pressure, even after the engine has been turned OFF. The fuel system pressure must be relieved before disconnecting any fuel lines. Failure to do so may result in fire and/or personal injury.

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Fig. 3.1L engine OBD system check to be done before fuel pump relay circuit diagnosis


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Fig. 3.1L engine fuel pump relay circuit diagnosis (1 of 2)


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Fig. 3.1L engine fuel pump rela2000 Malibu Starts then looses - db78a73.jpgiagnosis (2 of 2)


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Fig. View of the fuel pressure test port (Schrader valve)-3.1L engine

A - 3.1L engine fuel system pressure test (1 of 4)
B - 3.1L engine fuel system pressure test (2 of 4)
C - 3.1L engine fuel system pressure test (3 of 4)
D - 3.1L engine fuel system pressure test (4 of 4)

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Fig. The fuel pump/fuel sender module assembly is mounted in the fuel tank


2.-
Fuel Pressure Regulator - REMOVAL & INSTALLATION

(the fuel pressure regulator, which is located on the fuel rail assembly)

NOTE:
Before removing the fuel regulator assembly, place a clean shop towel under the regulator to catch any fuel drips

  1. Properly relieve the fuel system pressure.
  2. If not done already, disconnect the negative battery cable.
  3. On the 3.1L engine, remove the intake manifold plenum, as outlined in .
  4. On the 2.4L engine, remove the fuel rail. Refer to procedure earlier in this section.
  5. Detach the vacuum line from the regulator.
  6. Place a shop towel under the regulator to catch any fuel that may drip out. Unfasten the fuel pressure regulator retaining screw, then remove the regulator by twisting and pulling it from the fuel rail.
  7. Remove and discard the O-ring seal. Inspect the filter screen for contamination and replace if necessary.
To install:
  1. Prior to assembling the pressure regulator to the fuel rail, lubricate the new rail-to-regulator O-ring seal with clean engine oil.
  2. Place the O-ring on the pressure regulator and install the pressure regulator to the fuel rail.
  3. Install the retainer or coat the regulator mounting screws with an approved thread locking compound and secure the pressure regulator in place. Tighten the mounting screw to 76 inch lbs. (8.5 Nm).
  4. If removed, install the fuel rail assembly to the engine.
WARNING The fuel return pipe must be connected before tightening the regulator retaining screw to prevent the regulator from rotating. Rotation of the regulator could damage the retainer and spacer bracket and lead to a fuel leak at the regulator inlet.
  1. Connect the fuel feed line and return line to the fuel rail assembly, use a backup wrench on the fittings to prevent turning.
  2. Attach the vacuum line to the regulator.
  3. On the 3.1L engine, install the intake manifold plenum.
  4. Connect the negative battery cable. Turn the ignition to the ON position for two seconds, then turn it to the OFF position for ten seconds. Turn again to the ON position and check for fuel leaks.

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    3.- Fuel Rail Assembly - REMOVAL & INSTALLATION (3.1L Engine)









    Fig. View of the fuel rails (1 and 5), injectors (4) and fuel
    pressure regulator (3)-3.1L engine







        Properly relieve the fuel system pressure, then disconnect the
        negative battery cable (if not done already).




        Remove the intake manifold plenum (upper intake
        manifold) as outlined in


        .



        Unfasten the fuel pipe bracket bolt, then remove the fuel pipes at
        the rail.



        Remove the fuel pressure regulator from the fuel rail.


        Remove and discard the fuel feed and return pipe O-rings.


        Detach the fuel injector electrical connectors.




    NOTE

    Be careful when removing the fuel rail assembly to avoid damage to
    the injector electrical connector terminals and spray tips. Prevent
    dirt and other debris from entering open lines and passages. Fittings
    should be capped and holes should be plugged during servicing.






        If applicable, disconnect the coolant temperature sensor wiring.


        Unfasten the fuel rail retaining bolts, then remove the rail
        assembly from the engine.



        Remove and discard the injector O-ring seals from the spray tip
        end of each injector. With the O-rings removed, the O-ring backup may
        slip off the injector. Keep the backup for reuse during installation.




    To install:




        Make sure the backups are on the injectors, then lubricate new
        injector O-rings with clean engine oil and install on the spray tip of
        each injector.



        Install the fuel rail in the intake manifold. Tilt the assembly to
        install the injectors. Secure with the retaining bolts, then tighten
        the bolts to 7 ft. lbs. (10 Nm).



        Attach the injector electrical connectors.


        Put new O-rings on the fuel feed and return pipes, then install
        the pipes. Using a backup wrench on the fittings to prevent them from
        turning, tightening the fuel pipe nuts to 13 ft. lbs. (17 Nm).



        Install any remaining components.


        Connect the negative battery cable, then tighten the fuel filler
        cap.




        Turn the ignition to the
        ON
        position for two seconds, then turn it to the
        OFF
        position for ten seconds. Turn again to the
        ON
        position and check for fuel leaks.



        Install the intake manifold plenum.


    4.- Fuel Injectors - TESTING
    The easiest way to test the operation of the fuel injectors is to listen for a clicking sound coming from the injectors while the engine is running. This is accomplished using a mechanic's stethoscope, or a long screwdriver. Place the end of the stethoscope or the screwdriver (tip end, not handle) onto the body of the injector. Place the ear pieces of the stethoscope in your ears, or if using a screwdriver, place your ear on top of the handle. An audible clicking noise should be heard; this is the solenoid operating. If the injector makes this noise, the injector driver circuit and computer are operating as designed. Continue testing all the injectors this way.

    CAUTION
    Be extremely careful while working on an operating engine, make sure you have no dangling jewelry, extremely loose clothes, power tool cords or other items that might get caught in a moving part of the engine.

    All Injectors Clicking
    If all the injectors are clicking, but you have determined that the fuel system is the cause of your driveability problem, continue diagnostics. Make sure that you have checked fuel pump pressure as outlined earlier in this section. An easy way to determine a weak or unproductive cylinder is a cylinder drop test. This is accomplished by removing one spark plug wire at a time, and seeing which cylinder causes the least difference in the idle. The one that causes the least change is the weak cylinder.

    If the injectors were all clicking and the ignition system is functioning properly, remove the injector of the suspect cylinder and bench test it. This is accomplished by checking for a spray pattern from the injector itself. Install a fuel supply line to the injector (or rail if the injector is left attached to the rail) and momentarily apply 12 volts DC and a ground to the injector itself; a visible fuel spray should appear. If no spray is achieved, replace the injector and check the running condition of the engine.

    One or More Injectors Are Not Clicking
    If one or more injectors are found to be not operating, testing the injector driver circuit and computer can be accomplished using a "noid" light. First, with the engine not running and the ignition key in the OFF position, remove the connector from the injector you plan to test, then plug the "noid" light tool into the injector connector. Start the engine and the "noid" light should flash, signaling that the injector driver circuit is working. If the "noid" light flashes, but the injector does not click when plugged in, test the injector's resistance. Resistance should be between 11-18 ohms.

    If the "noid" light does not flash, the injector driver circuit is faulty. Disconnect the negative battery cable. Unplug the "noid" light from the injector connector and also unplug the PCM. Check the harness between the appropriate pins on the harness side of the PCM connector and the injector connector. Resistance should be less than 5.0 ohms; if not, repair the circuit. If resistance is within specifications, the injector driver inside the PCM is faulty and replacement of the PCM will be necessary.


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WHAT ABOUT A BAD FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR AND A STOP UP FUEL FILTER.

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  • Jonah Oneal May 24, 2010

    POSSIBLE YOU COULD HAVE BOUGHT A DEFECTIVE FUEL PUMP.

  • Jonah Oneal May 24, 2010

    ANOTHER THING YOU COULD HAVE A RESTRICTED FUEL LINE.

  • Anonymous May 24, 2010

    I thought that too so I replaced the fuel pump twice thats not it. there has to be something cutting the power to the pump

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I'm thinking oxygen or throttle body position sensors.. both of these control the air gax mix ratio .. in other words then send data to the cars computer telling it when to send more gas.. Its malfunctioning sending excessive gas which there isnt enough air for causing you to loose power.. To determine this have a diagnostic done on the car.. This will let you know which sensor is bad.. and replace it.. I'm also thinking that the sensor might just be sending wrong data in which case it may not show up in the diagnostic.. Ask you mechanic to have a look at both sensors and if he has a replacement you can try before having to buy them both!!

  • Anonymous May 24, 2010

    I have a fuel pressure tester hooked up and can see it is not getting fuel pressure and can hear the pump not running

  • Anonymous May 24, 2010

    just because you dont get an error code dont mean the sensors are not bad.. it controls the air fuel ration.. its giving back a false reading causing the brain to lower the fuel amount.. It will show show the sensors are wroking when they are infact not working propperly..

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