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Joseph B Posted on Feb 26, 2013

98 Plymouth voyager brake issues

I replaced the front right brake caliper and hydraulic brake hose and its still not able to bleed. I know fluid is getting to the caliper because the when i take the hose i just replaced off it pours out. While trying to bleed the brakes with a self bleeder the vacuum doesnt build up it just drops in pressure. would i need to bleed the MC?? i bleed the other front caliper just fine. please help

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Anonymous

You never replace only one caliper

You do both sides

Bleeders are mounted to top of caliper

Have a helper in drivers seat to slowly
press brake pedal as you open & close
bleeders

Start at back & do all 4 corners

The master takes care of it's self

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Greg Bernett

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SOURCE: 1996 PLYMOUTH VOYAGER SOFT BRAKE PEDAL AIR IN LINES

I am a hydraulic technician and I can tell you that air is a killer in the hydraulic system.

Start from the rear and work your way forward. I f you are using the two person method, make sure the second person keeps the master cylinder full. If the fluid level dropped anywhere in between pressing and releasing the brakes....you have a lot of air in the system.

Make sure you are tightening the bleed valve when the brake pedal is full pressed.

Remeber...start from the rear brakes first, then do the front.

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robert DIBBLE

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SOURCE: put in new calipers and brake pads but I am

it sounds like you are having trouble with one of the centering valves
trace the line back to the valve if it is off to one side most times you
eather have a broken brake line or air in the line but the centering
valve tells all

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Fig. 1: Loosen the front brake line in order to bleed the master cylinder

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Fig. 2: Connect a bleed hose from the bleed valve on the front caliper to a jar of brake fluid

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1996 PLYMOUTH VOYAGER SOFT BRAKE PEDAL AIR IN LINES

I am a hydraulic technician and I can tell you that air is a killer in the hydraulic system.

Start from the rear and work your way forward. I f you are using the two person method, make sure the second person keeps the master cylinder full. If the fluid level dropped anywhere in between pressing and releasing the brakes....you have a lot of air in the system.

Make sure you are tightening the bleed valve when the brake pedal is full pressed.

Remeber...start from the rear brakes first, then do the front.
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