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Anonymous Posted on Sep 27, 2012

2003 Grand Am Has P0102

P0102 code and idle bounces from 500-900ish. New MAF and IAT. Ohmed the 3 MAF wires all the way to ecu pinouts (ignition, maf signal, & ground) -- perfect continuity with hardly any resistance. Assuming at this point its an ECM issue?? Thanks

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  • Anonymous Sep 27, 2012

    Should also add I have tested all fuses. Also, on the OBD scanner, it states that the ECM had NO reading of data from the MAF.

  • Anonymous Sep 27, 2012

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  • Marvin
    Marvin Sep 27, 2012

    Fuses?? Do a pin out test of the MAF wires to the PCM.

  • Marvin
    Marvin Sep 27, 2012

    I really doubt the PCM is the problem.

  • Anonymous Sep 27, 2012

    READ THE POSTING!!! I ALREADY TESTED WIRES FROM MAF TO PCM AND ALL FUSES!

  • Marvin
    Marvin Sep 27, 2012

    No more help for you.

  • Anonymous Sep 27, 2012

    haha ok. well if you would have READ what I posted first, it would have saved both of our time and frustration

  • Cresencio Mendez
    Cresencio Mendez Jun 24, 2014

    I have exactly the same problem. Replaced the maf sensor, and still don't get any data from the maf , did you figure out the problem? Was it the ECM ? I need help (info) please

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It is not an ECM/PCM problem.
P0102 - Mass or Volume Air Flow Circuit Low Input
Possible causes- Faulty mass air flow sensor
- Dirty mass air flow sensor
- Dirty air filter
- Mass air flow sensor harness is open or shorted
- Mass air flow sensor electrical circuit poor connection
- Intake air leaks Tech notes Before replacing the mass air flow sensor, try replacing the air filter and cleaning the air flow sensor with low compress air or mass air flow sensor cleaner. Reset code and drive vehicle. If the code comes back, it may be necessary to replaced the mass air flow sensor

  • Anonymous Sep 27, 2012

    Did you even read my post?!? I know what the code is for! I have checked for vacuum leaks, and tested all MAF wires all the way to the ECM with no/little resistance. Yet the ECM is still not getting any data from the BRAND NEW MAF.

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SOURCE: 99 Grand Prix idles funny, dies got code p0102,

this vehicle most likely has a mass air flow sensor it may have got accidently unplugged or the air tube from mass airflow to engine is not connected well or it could be that you have indeed a bad mass air flow sensor they do make a special cleaner that you may want to try before purchasing a mass air flow sensor or purchasing one from salvage yard the symptoms you describe would be created by a bad massair flowsensor

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I have a 2005 GMC Jimmy ---I`m getting a p0102 code--where is the ground located for the MAF

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DTC P0102 Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor Circuit Low Frequency
Circuit Description
The mass air flow (MAF) sensor is an air flow meter that measures the amount of air entering the engine. The powertrain control module (PCM) uses the MAF sensor signal to provide the correct fuel delivery for all engine speeds and loads. A small quantity of air entering the engine indicates a deceleration or idle condition. A large quantity of air entering the engine indicates an acceleration or high load condition. The MAF sensor has the following circuits:
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Diagnostic Aids
• Inspect the harness of the MAF sensor to verify that it is not routed too close to the following components:
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• Inspect for any contamination or debris on the sensing elements of the MAF sensor.
• A wide open throttle (WOT) acceleration from a stop should cause the MAF sensor parameter on the scan tool to increase rapidly. This increase should be from 3-10 g/s at idle to 150 g/s or more at the time of the 1-2 shift. If the increase is not observed, inspect for a restriction in the induction system or the exhaust system.
• A high resistance of 15 ohms or more on the ground circuit or the ignition 1 circuit of the MAF sensor may cause this DTC to set. A high resistance may cause a driveability concern before this DTC sets.

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Code p0102 is for Mass Air Flow Sensor. What it is read this:-
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A code P0102 may mean that one or more of the following has happened:
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Diagnostic codes

P0102 OBD-II Trouble Code - Mass Air Flow (MAF) Circuit Low Input

What does that mean?
Basically this means that there is a problem with the Mass Air Flow (MAF) sensor or circuit. A more technical description would be that the MAF circuit had lower than expected voltage (air flow). Other MAF sensor circuit DTC trouble codes are P0100, P0101, P0103, and P0104.

Symptoms
You will likely not notice any serious drivability problems, although there may be symptoms such as a general decrease in power or sluggishness.

Causes
A code P0102 may mean that one or more of the following has happened:
* The MAF may be disconnected, or a wiring connection may be bad
* The MAF may be dirty or otherwise contaminated (Note: if you use a reusable oiled air filter, be careful not to apply too much oil or that can contaminate the MAF).
* The MAF sensor may be faulty
* The vehicle computer may be faulty (very rare)

Possible Solutions
The simplest thing to do is to reset the code and see if it comes back. Then start with the cheapest, easiest repair procedures:
* Verify that the Mass Air Flow Sensor wiring is connected properly and that there are no broken / frayed wires.
* Inspect for any air leaks near the MAF sensor.
* Take the MAF out and clean it using a spray cleaner such as brake cleaner or electrical contact cleaner. Be gentle with the sensor.
* Check the voltage of the MAF sensor (refer to a repair manual for vehicle specific information)
* Replace the MAF sensor.


P0113 - Intake Air Temperature Circuit High Input

What does that mean?
The powertrain control module (PCM) monitors the temperature of the air entering the engine. The PCM supplies a 5 volt reference voltage to the Intake Air Temperature (IAT) sensor. The IAT is a thermistor that varies resistance based on temperature. As the temperature increases, resistance decreases. Low temperature results in a high signal voltage. When the PCM sees a signal voltage higher than 5 volts, it sets this P0113 check engine light code.

Potential Symptoms
There will likely be no symptoms other than illumination of the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL - Check Engine Light / Service Engine Soon).

Causes
A code P0113 may mean that one or more of the following has happened:
* Internally failed IAT sensor
* Faulty connection at IAT sensor
* Open in IAT ground circuit or signal circuit
* Short to voltage in IAT signal circuit or reference circuit
* IAT harness and/or wiring routed too close to high-voltage wiring (e.g. alternator, spark plug cables, etc.)
* Faulty PCM (less likely but not impossible)

Possible Solutions
First, if you have access to a scan tool, is there an IAT reading? If the IAT reading is logical then the problem is likely intermittent. If the reading is less than -30 degrees, unplug the connector. Install a jumper wire between the harness connector signal and ground circuits. The IAT temperature reading on the scan tool should be maxed out at the high end. For example it should be 280 degrees Farenheit or higher. If it is, the wiring is okay, and it may have been the connection. If it isn't install the jumper wire between the IAT signal circuit and the chassis ground. If now the IAT reading on the scan tool is maxed out then check for an open in the IAT ground circuit. If you get no reading at all on the scan tool, it's likely that the sensor signal is open or the 5 volt reference is missing. Check using a DVOM (digital volt ohm meter) for a 5 volt reference. If it's there, then unplug the connector at the PCM and check for continuity on the IAT signal circuit between the PCM connector and the IAT connector.

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P0102 is ---- mass or volume air flow circuit, low input.
Check the wires going to the maf sensor and at the connection. If all seems ok, you might need a new sensor, seeing how it ran a little better when disconnected.
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