I have cleaned the machine. I have tried both solitions in my Jaome machine and still loops are forming on the botom. i have even moved the little screw on the bobbin- tested the thread and changed the needles . Fabric is normal. I have sewin 1000's of times and stil loops are forming on the bottom.

It loops, it's just that your shuttle isn't catching the loop. The loop is formed on the upstroke of the needle on the back or "scarfed" side of the needle. If the shuttle point doesn't catch that loop, no stitch.

First make sure you have a fresh needle. If still no stitch... take it in for service. (clean, lube and time)

change the needle
clean under the needle plate & in the bobbin area for loose threads & lint
rethread the machine top & bobbin

I think you mean the shuttle is not picking up the top thread. There are many reasons why this can happen. The best way to find out which is to leave the cover off the bobbin compartment and turn the machine slowly by hand while watching things happen for a few cycles - best to have a piece of material in place as well (but not in your line of sight).
As the needle begins to rise, the top thread should form a loop for the shuttle to pick up. If no loop forms, the needle could be too fat for the thread, the thread could be sticking to the needle, the pick-up arm could be out of time (unlikely), or the thread tension could be wrong (or the machine not threaded correctly).
If a loop forms, but the shuttle does not pick up up, the needle could be bent (take it off and roll it on a flat surface),or in backwards (loop forming opposite to shuttle), or the material (or your manner of feeding it) causing the needle to be deflected away from the shuttle. On some machines, it is also possible to loosen a clamp and move the shuttle closer to the needle, but obviously that is a last resort (unless it has come loose or been forced away).
There are other possibilities, but usually it's the simplest thing. Try changing the needle?

Good day Po!!!

Sewing machine operator can often help themselves when their machine does not operate properly.
Here are some simple instructions, which if properly used can save time and mechanics service calls.
TROUBLE;UPPER THREAD KEEPS BREAKING;
This could be trouble; >Do this;
1.Top tension to tight >loosen tension 1 turn
2.Machine improperly threaded >check threading
3.Thread twisted on guide post > "
4.Thread twisted out of tension > "
5.Take up spring bent or broken >Check action of spring
6.Thread jumped off pull off finger >Check threading
7.Needle bent or burred >new needle
8.Bad cone of thread >try another cone
TROUBLE;LOWER THREAD KEEPS BREAKING;
1.Bobbin tension spring to tight >Loosen tension slightly
2.Bobbin threaded wrong >check threading
3.Bobbin wound to tight or uneven >try new bobbin
4.lint or thread on bobbin case >clean inside case
5.Lint or thread inside hook >clean inside hook
6.Bobbin case nicked bent or burred >check/change case
TROUBLE;MACHINE STARTED SKIPPING STITCHES;
1.Needle bent or burred >change
2.Needle set in crooked >Check
3.Thread jumped off take up spring >check threading
4.Thread jumped off pull off finger >check threading
TROUBLE STITCHES SHOWING LOOPS;
1.Forming loops on top of cloth >Tighten bobbin tension
or loosen top tension.
2.forming loops on bottom of cloth >Tighten top tension
3.Bobbin placed in case incorrectly >remove and replace
4.Bobbin thread slipped from under >check threading of
tension >bobbin case
5.Lint or thread in top tension >clean between tension discs

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Good day!

please try this simple tips:

Good day!

A sewing machine operator can often help themselves when their machine does not operate properly.
Here are some simple instructions, which if properly used can save time and mechanics service calls.
TROUBLE;UPPER THREAD KEEPS BREAKING;
This could be trouble;================Do this;
1.Top tension to tight================loosen tension 1 turn
2.Machine improperly threaded=========check threading
3.Thread twisted on guide post========"
4.Thread twisted out of tension======="
5.Take up spring bent or broken=======Check action of spring
6.Thread jumped off pull off finger===Check threading
7.Needle bent or burred===============new needle
8.Bad cone of thread==================try another cone
TROUBLE;LOWER THREAD KEEPS BREAKING;
1.Bobbin tensionspring to tight=======Loosen tension slightly
2.Bobbin threaded wrong===============check threading
3.Bobbin wound to tight or uneven=====try new bobbin
4.lint or thread on bobbin case=======clean inside case
5.Lint or thread inside hook==========clean inside hook
6.Bobbin case nicked bent or burred===check/change case
TROUBLE;MACHINE STARTED SKIPPING STITCHES;
1.Needle bent or burred===============change
2.Needle set in crooked===============Check
3.Thread jumped off take up spring====check threading
4.Thread jumped off pull off finger===check threading
TROUBLE STITCHES SHOWING LOOPS;
1.Forming loops on top of cloth=======Tighten bobbin tension
======================================or loosen top tension.
2.forming loops on bottom of cloth====Tighten top tension
3.Bobbin placed in case incorrectly===remove and replace
4.Bobbin thread slipped from under====check threading of
tension===============================bobbin case
5.Lint or thread in top tension=======clean between tension discs


Thank you and good luck.

Good day!

please try this simple tips:

Good day!

A sewing machine operator can often help themselves when their machine does not operate properly.
Here are some simple instructions, which if properly used can save time and mechanics service calls.
TROUBLE;UPPER THREAD KEEPS BREAKING;
This could be trouble;================Do this;
1.Top tension to tight================loosen tension 1 turn
2.Machine improperly threaded=========check threading
3.Thread twisted on guide post========"
4.Thread twisted out of tension======="
5.Take up spring bent or broken=======Check action of spring
6.Thread jumped off pull off finger===Check threading
7.Needle bent or burred===============new needle
8.Bad cone of thread==================try another cone
TROUBLE;LOWER THREAD KEEPS BREAKING;
1.Bobbin tensionspring to tight=======Loosen tension slightly
2.Bobbin threaded wrong===============check threading
3.Bobbin wound to tight or uneven=====try new bobbin
4.lint or thread on bobbin case=======clean inside case
5.Lint or thread inside hook==========clean inside hook
6.Bobbin case nicked bent or burred===check/change case
TROUBLE;MACHINE STARTED SKIPPING STITCHES;
1.Needle bent or burred===============change
2.Needle set in crooked===============Check
3.Thread jumped off take up spring====check threading
4.Thread jumped off pull off finger===check threading
TROUBLE STITCHES SHOWING LOOPS;
1.Forming loops on top of cloth=======Tighten bobbin tension
======================================or loosen top tension.
2.forming loops on bottom of cloth====Tighten top tension
3.Bobbin placed in case incorrectly===remove and replace
4.Bobbin thread slipped from under====check threading of
tension===============================bobbin case
5.Lint or thread in top tension=======clean between tension discs


Thank you and good luck.

Buy to loose do you mean big loops on the botom? If so fallow these steps.
Usaly big loops on the botom of the fabric means that the top is not threaded coreccty. I would sugest threading the top thread again all the way to the needle. After you have done that pull on the thread and lift and lower the presser foot. There should be tension when it is down and no tensoin when it is up. I allway do this before I sew on a machine. If you do not have tension on it when the presser foot is down you did not get ithe thread in the tension unit. If you have tension when it is up then your machine needs a upper tension release adjustement.
Hope this helps friend.
Other problems could be a small peace of broke needle it the race area(inspect this close).
If you adjusted your bobbin tension this may need to be reset.

This is probably an upper thread tension problem.

Manually cycle the machine watching the action with the bobbin covers off. The needle should come up a bit and put a loop out for the little point on the shuttle to come around and catch. Also check needle is in correctly and fully seated.. Groove should be toward you.

If the cloth is very light, the friction of the thread in the cloth may NOT be enough to allow the loop to form. You may have to hold the needle thread a bit to add to the friction so the loop/buldge can form.

I watched a 'You Tube' demo that showed ........if you loosen or tighten the very small screw at the base of the bobbin this gives you the correct tension & stops the looping under the fabric........I didn't even know this screw existed ! It is trial & era at first re the correct tension but you do get there.... the art is to do it in small mini stages.....like you hardly move it ! Thanks to 'You Tube' I can now get on and finish my drapes !

Try a different needle. Use a quilting or topstitch or even a metallic needle - one that has a larger scarf than normal. The scarf is the groove at the back of the needle where the thread goes while the stitch is being formed. Quilting threads often need more "room" there. I have been told that the Inspira quilting needles are good because they have a thread groove on the front and the back of the needle. Not tried them personally but might be worthwhile for you to consider.

For the looping, you could fiddle with your tensions a little either loosening the bobbin tension or tightening the top, or both. Only ever do this in very small increments. But the good news is that even the "professional" quilters do not have perfect quilt backs - just have a look at them at quilt shows!
Pam M.