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Thread loops on back using quilt stitch

I am trying to use the quilt stitch (number 11) to make a square border on a quilt. Fabric is cotton and batting is 80% cotton/20% polyester. The front looks fine, but on the back there are loops of thread on some, not all, of the stitches. I am thinking that some sort of tension needs to be changed but am at a loss what to do. I checked the manual and it suggested a tension of 8, so I tried that, but still got the looping problem on the back.

HELP????

Ruth

  • ravanza Jul 14, 2008

    Hi there



    Thanks for the idea. the Elna only goes to a tension of 9, so I tried it on 8 1/2, and it did better but still has the loops. Are these maybe missed stitches. looking at things closer, it seems that it occurs sometimes on the straight stitch, too.



    I installed a new needle to see if that fixed it and it didn't. Needle size being used is 90/14.

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You need to put more tention into the Corners, Try puttin a tention of 10 into the Quilt. And it should work fine. 10-12 Maximum, don't go pass 12 because it will probably Rip, or Shrill up. Hope this Helped.

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  • Anonymous Jul 14, 2008

    For a Number 12, I would say 10-12 the best.

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