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Just bought a house and it has a grundfos timer/pump attached at the hot water tank. I have no hot water and the timer doesn't turn (as I've seen other timers do). Is it supposed to turn so that the little levers determine when the water is heated and when its not? Need to understand how the unit works so I can figure out what's wrong.

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I would guess that the pump is to recirculate hot water so you have nearly instant hot water. The pump should be set to run during periods of high use. I doubt that pump is wired into water heater controls. I would check setting on heater thermostat and turn up if needed. I hope this helps. Thanks

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Grundfos is a sealed unit and not a repairable item.
The timer dial should turn.
And pins located around dial control ON-OFF functions as timer dial rotates.
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Does the receptacle have power?
If receptacle has power, and Grundfos is not working, then it is broken.
Grundfos manuals for UP series pumps do not show breakdown or parts list of any kind.
http://www.us.grundfos.com/web/download.nsf/Pages

Bigger question:
Why don't you have hot water?
Is water heater functioning?
Water heater is a separate appliance from Grundfos pump.
Grundfos pump circulates hot water from tank into the lines so there is no waiting for hot water ... but hot water heater should still make hot water.
http://waterheatertimer.org/Water-heater-recirculation-system.html

Add a comment about water heater if that is also a problem.
You could have 2 problems, and water heater is main issue.

For do-it-yourself electric water heater repairs:
http://waterheatertimer.org/6DIY.html

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The timer located on grundfos dial determines when pump turns ON.
Link above has illustration showing how to set timer pins using your thumb or ink pin or nail file (women know nail files, so I'm relating here).
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