My DELL POWEREDGE 850 is a 64 Bit System. I have Win 7 64 Pro O.S. installed on SATA with 'no apparent errors'. But sadly, my new TOSHIBA 2TB SAS MG03SCA200 SCSI remains unidentified no matter what I try? I have a: SATA 7Pin to SAS 7+15Pin Data Power Cable Adapter that should do the trick? See eBay: 262059703135. Now my SAS spins up, but EASEUS Partition Master and Windows HD Partition never 'see' the SAS at all? I tried to locate 'drivers' or a 'installer' that may wake the SAS, but it remains unseen and unable to access? I tried the SAS Drive and Adapter on a HP 64-Bit System with the same results ~ no-go. ANY help will be greatly appreciated!
Using a DELL 13 year old server... 850 model.
REDUX #3, (im almost up to speed on YOUR GOAL)
you bought the wrong server, sure been there done that.
and discover to your chagrin that the SATA port
is useless for SAS new drives.
well it is. sorry.
not only that those 2 ports are slow, Intel ACH7 chips are Slow.
but so is that old Pentium inside.
omg some with CELERY chip dogs
https://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/en/850_specs.pdf
i see that call SAS SCSI back 13 years ago
ok that cute, historically.
the CTO order new server had 10 choice on
just the controller (drive) with cables for data
power , backplane and cage, all missing in yours.
there is only 2 cures.
1: buy the dell parts missing in your server.
card + cable + sas cage (and matching backplane)
I bet only uses ones exist now,ask DELL that.
2: buy a cheap raid card, and flash it to HBA mode.
JBOD mode.
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-turn-old-hard-drives-into-one-large-drive-in-windows/
now some images
sometimes the limit, is firmware, or the driver
or simply , Dell didnt have 2+TB hDD to test back in 2005.!
reality of that fact.
Testimonial: "Larry, my control card is just like the card you posted. The board numbers match mine too. There are "SATA 0" (blue) and "SATA 1" (black) ports, but no mention of SAS. The large IDE (blue) connector is present too. The System BIOS was Version A03 and I just found A04 Bios online and it installed fine. Wow, July 2012. Larry, my Dell has a riser card with 2 PCI-E connectors, the largest is white with many pins and the smallest is black. This card also supports the front PANEL connectors (USB+COM), LEDs and power button, etc. Larry, you mentioned, "a new SATA card for 10 bucks, that works."? Will this new board support SAS drives larger than 600GB? Can you please tell me the board name or maybe it's number? Thank you, Larry. Your efforts ARE greatly appreciated! Anthony"
Larry, I checked: "850 Systems Installation and Troubleshooting Guide"... AND "Dell™ PowerEdge™ 850 Systems User's Guide" as well as the 850 Specs PDF, but NONE even MENTIONS "SAS"! SCSI, yes... lots on SCSI, but not a whisper about SAS.
Wow, it's difficult to accept that SOMEONE has not set up a PowerEdge Server to use just ONE (two would be better) SAS Drives? I understand than HUNDREDS or maybe THOUSANDS of hard drives WON'T be on the "approved drive list/file" you mentioned... and I suspect that file would be massive if most "drives" were included!
Thank you, Larry!
sure they have but they dont use fixya for help, there are 1000s of posts at DELL
on topic, on this forum , Fixya it's about PCs
and laptops and printers dead.
not servers. (complex it is) PC are toys by comparison.
there are 4 top server forums. fixya is not in the list ,sorry.
next up a card, you said $10 now that is a tall order,, for used working raid.
but I will try.
this fact here is why home users don't buy SAS drives,
hint PCs dont use them or have ports for them.
some workstations do, but are not PCs'
I have one,of those. HP XW4600 with raid.
next ,coming to you next. a working card.
and matching cables. yes, sorry sata cables are useless to SAS drives. sorry.
I have a LSI-9211 flashed by me to HBA
This is one of the most common raid cards made (old) and can be run in RAID mode
or HBA mode. (host bus adaptor, no raid)
new cards its the flip of switch to do that,but the prices is way too high,
$300? up?
the card is x4 express, and works in X8 riser ok. quote.
"PCI Express x4 MPN:
LSI00190
Internal Interfaces:
SAS 6Gb/s, SATA I, SATA II, SATA III"
see how it does both?
$10 for raid gets you a dead card on ebay.
but you are free to search all day for better prices, not me.
let me make a list of things that make it too expensive, a raid card.
1: new.
2: newer designs.
3: extra port jacks, 1 port does 4 drives.
4: external sas jack. at rear.
5: faster cards. cost more, just like processors. do.
6: and most expensive of all are the genius smart cards.
genius:
a: autoformats and syncs data on new drive added. (expansion mode)
b: emAILS YOU for drive x bad. nice.
c: read the top data sheets at dell on there new RAID cards, endless and amazing feature sets. and not FREE. $$$$$$$$
HBA should be the most cheap cards but are not. (they are more rare)
econ 101, rule, rare expensive.
(not mine it can be flashed to HBA zero cost)
the card.https://www.ebay.com/itm/LSI-9211-8i-6Gb...
now the cable, sas card to SAs drive.
keep in mind most cables to SAS do not go direct to HDD, SAS.
they go to a cage of SAS
you have no cage, and you need a direct cable.
SFF-8482
here is the correct cable for SAS and NO CAGE
https://www.ebay.com/itm/serial-attached...
that is it,
see why all home users never use SAS drive.
cost. of all the above.
a fact.
I do it because I run RAID here.
SAS raid. caged,
and one SATA raid, direct no cage
i could do sas no cage, easy with the above setup.
see, that is how SAS plays out.
ask questions.
what works with dell ive not a clue.
the above are generic parts, not DELL.
Ok Im sorry now i mentioned approved list
if you are not using all the features of DELL RAID , then you dont need that.
try to know that RAID drives, may not work right in some DELL servers, full blown servers.
If you dont need raid say so.
SAS is used in RAID systems.
for:
1: life is longer,
2: they are fast.
3: and the smart features are SERVER + RAID class grade , even with 100,000 drives running in a huge server farm, ever seen googles?farm?
4: try to know dell did not test all 10,000
sas drives, made , all generations, be super expensive that, and and ENDLESS! JOB.
5: Sas has the 7 extra VPS pins, read up on that.
lets back up why did you buy SAS server drives. it just a simple unloaded questions
why?
A: in fire sale, or B:gifted? or C: bought them by mistake.? no fingers pointing, just a question?
my answer here, is for #1 above. mine.
now pure dell raid cards, PERC.
lets say you did buy the DELL server with the onboard (riser) fitted, PERC raid card H700 or higher.
the server has a second book , if opted for raid sas.
here (power edge raid controllers)PERC
https://si.cdn.dell.com/sites/doccontent...
then in said book you read the driver support and see there is no W7 support. sorry, none.
just a MS Server 2008, (closest match)
ebay has $15 card used, H700
the DELL page for Perc driver, h700 up
are here.
http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/0...
now the real magic, the actual PNP
microsoft, driver locker, (catalog servers)
as you can see MS only has what HP gave them.
http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/...
I'd get LSI card, as they seem to have the most drivers of all raid cards made.
or supermicro.
the other issue not broached by me
is the raid card sizes.
it has to fit in the small area, to the left of the riser. x8 or x4 slots (as the case may be)
and DELL is mum on that, after all only DELL card fit (LOL)
OK, Larry. I thought you 'approved' that Supermicro Controller and the link to it's drivers was most compelling. And that you liked the price too... Larry, the Egghead/Supermicro order is complete and it's sad to learn it is not Win 7 friendly after all ~ now I see that light at the end of the tunnel is a TRAIN!
I have 'Win 2000 Server' available IF that is even compatible? I suppose RAID is possible too, but it is NOT a option I wanted to pursue because IF something went wrong ~ I WOULD want to be able to FIX it quickly.
Larry, none of this is your fault ~ "I" just misunderstood you.
Now I found the "H700" at $15 but it (apparently) has no SCSI connectors?? How are the drives connected, please?
Anthony
why run 18 year old OS, and old cards to match.? windows 2000 is useless. today.
sorry. (you can buy home license from MS MVP for like 15 bucks, no web usage just home LAN, sub net.) Get Win Sever 2008. cheap.
why mess with w2000,? ever.
it like owning flip cell phone now./
or shoe phone, LOL ! "get smart maxwell?")
why are you still calling SAS SCSI, it's not.
the only part of SAS that is SCSI still is the old subset of commands are still there.
its like calling new ford (Model A like)
same deal. (forget the words SCSI ok?)
and the 13 years old sales sheet.
SAS ,SAS, SAS.... that is what you own.
i do not approve anything,
all i said was, 9211 and then OAC-usaS2-L8l both have w7 drivers.
that is it. (many cards DO NOT)
no idea at all on your usage.
speed.?
or wanting redundancy or
just JBOB (HBA mode)
my guess JBOD, so flash it to JBOD HBA.
That also adds the Upgrade to huge TByte drives.
Try to learn that 6GB/sec will never happen on old, SCSI parallel anything,(relics of the past) nor on that SATA card.
SAS does that only.(and some SATA too but not YOURS ever. not ever with ACH7 chips)
if something went wrong, well that will happen ,all computer made fail, so do most drives at the 10 year mark, or less on laptops. plan on it.
The plan is avoid data loss, nothing else matters. unless....
Always have backups. is super important data, have it saved OFF SITE (above the flood?)
RAID is to keep a production server up..
But we all know. things happen.
PSU blows up.
fans die.
memory card shorts killing them all dead.
and more, so backup.
please ask lots of questions all so far are very very good, and welcome.
cheers.
The real question was
"I bought the wrong server"
and now I can not use my new SAS drives.
what can I do.?
answer buy cheap raid card (and the cables)
or buy the missing parts not in your server
H6i? and the card cages and cable set.
it's listed in the 840s parts list (at dell)
but can be expensive those parts.
Id bet dell don't sell them after 13 years.
but may be found on fleabay used, cheap.
by exact partnumber.
one more way to answer, above.
summary here. (cheap raid controllers for SAS)
http://www.pcdied.com/intel-magic/raid/h...
finding 13yearo old dell parts is not easy
look here
not sure if this is right, the card is.
but those blue dell cables may be sas.
rare
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Perc-5i-RA...
that riser card I posted, IDE/SATA
is not controller. at all,
it's wires. only./(PCB traces)
it goes to the intel ICH7 chip (sata)
South Bridge glue logic chips from intel
on the main MOBO.
in this case PORTS.
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My is working , i have same dell server 1600 , i download the driver from LSI website here is the link
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you just need u320 scsi driver for server 1600sc
download XP driver 32 bit it will work
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Larry, thank you for your helpful reply! Apparently the PowerEdge was configured with a SCSI controller, OR a SATA Drive version. Mine is the SATA and will support 2 SATA drives and a IDE CD/DVD Drive.
Thank you too for letting me know about flashing the SCSI bios. I need a "simple" Card that can accept one or TWO SAS and hopefully one SATA drive? It was good to learn that SAS cards will also accept SATA connections too!
Larry, I have seen many SCSI/SAS Control cards but only a VERY FEW have female card connectors that appear to match my smaller SAS cable?
Almost ALL other SCSI control cards I have seen are VERY elaborate and need very special/large connecting cables, made for older SCSI I think? As you know, some also require batteries and terminators too!
I have two PCIe edge connectors and one has a Five-port USB 3.0 card I installed. I would gladly remove the 3.0 USB card for a working SAS + SATA card!
I wanted to mention again that I have Win 7 Pro 64-Bit that installed fine. The only special driver I needed was for my 3.0 USB card above.
Thank you, Larry. I DO appreciate your time and help.
Anthony
old parallel SCSI forget that, please,this is SAS, now. serial, now.
the w7 installed fine, no not to SAS .
it installed to the SATA drive, big difference that.
no the SAS termination are built in and automatic, that ended over 34+ years ago.
you need a SAS card first.
not sure why you bought SAS drives,?
must be a fire sale?
That's how I get mine, GRIN.
here is my first SCSI card, (1994s late)
it must be terminated correctly.(old skool)
know that SAS comes on SFF standard cables
and
HP custom cables.
and Dell custom cables.
i avoid the custom types. unless dirt cheap used.
SFF is small form factor, wiki it.
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