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Jim Shandy Posted on Jan 01, 2015

Do not get 24 volts from 120/24 volt transformer how test it?

Could a heat limiter be interfering with 24 volts getting to the furnace valve?

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Yes. There could be a couple of high limit safety devises in the circuit that can open the circuit to the gas valve. Pending your furnace type If your thermostat is calling for heat and the furnace tries to start your transformer is working. High limit safety controls are normally closed. If you have a open limit switch you will not have any continuity through it using an ohm meter or if you test it with a volt meter you will have 24 volts across the terminals of the safety devise. Other problems can be pressure switches, hot surface igniters and control boards. most newer furnaces have a control board that will flash a light code to help trouble shoot the system. Count the flash pattern and look on one of the furnace doors for the flash code directory.

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Oct 02, 2008

SOURCE: a carrier furnace

check the relay
the primary should have a low resistance
there should be a distinct click when 24 volts is applied to the primary
the secondary should be conductive when the primary is energized (contactors can corrode)
not a solution something to check

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Nov 10, 2008

SOURCE: I have a Trane gas

almost a classic sign of a bad gas valve. pilot is lit so gas is available. FAN COMES ON AND 24 VOLTS TO gas valve so there is a call for heat . gas valve doesn't open so it looks like its bad.

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  • Posted on Mar 26, 2009

SOURCE: AC Control Transformer keeps failing.

well it has blown the fuse on the transformer, then you have coil switch bad.It could be the coil on the contath in for cooling.But can check by taking the yellow wire a loose and see if the don't blow. The red wire is one side of the transformer and the com could be any color.But look at the red wire because it is the main wire that travel the voltage throuhg the unit.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on May 15, 2009

SOURCE: My ac unit does not

Please exercise due caution in checking voltages in live circuits!

24 volts sourced by the transformer, through the thermostat, then through the contactor (turns on power to compressor/fan) and returns to the transformer, If the thermostat is closed (calling for cool) you will see no voltage across it, but instead the contactor should be energized. Please note, 200 volts seems odd, you should have between 215 and 235. It sounds more like the contactor relay coil may be open. Is the contactor/transformer one piece?

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t1m130

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  • Posted on Jul 26, 2009

SOURCE: Blown Transformer heat pump

blown transformers are usually from a low voltage short the first thing i would do is wire a automotive or resetable 3amp fuse in line with the transformer so you dont blow transformer after transformer the wire coming off the transformer that say 24v take that wire a couple of inches down and cut it and install the fuse in series there
24v----------------
24v----------x----------
24v--------{3ampfuse}----------

now you can go through your low voltage wires one by one and test them unhook all the wires to your outdoor condenser at your indoor unit(furnace or airhandler) and try turning it to cool now if you blow the fuse the short is between the tstat and the indoor unit if the fuse is still good leave it on cool and hook up one wire at a time to your outdoor unit starting with R a lot of times your contactor or your defrost board will short out on you also look for pinches in wires wires with cracks in the insulation and wires touching metal this situation can be a real pain sometimes i would recommend calling a hvac company if you start to get stumped
hope this will help you

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PROBLEM #1 - HOT SURFACE IGNITOR DOES NOT GLOW RED

(Remember to wait for purge time, 17/34 seconds, on models so equipped).

Possible causes

A. No main power

B. Faulty transformer

C. Faulty thermostat

D. Faulty limit switch

E. Faulty blower interlock switch

F. Faulty hot surface ignitor

G. Faulty ignition control

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