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Bottom thread is looping on top of fabric on my Singer Futura 400 machine

Bobbin thread is looping on top of fabric, even though tension is set at S

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Thread looping can also be caused by the use of adhesive stabilizers. During embroidery, your needle can gum up. Try floating a sheet of wax paper on the bottom to see if that might be the cause (along with the above solutions, of course).

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Dec 30, 2008

SOURCE: Singer Simple bottom thread is loose

hi there
raise pressure foot up thread making sure thread passes between thread guide this should solve problem never alter bobbin tension,
mary h

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Feb 21, 2009

SOURCE: Singer CG 550 Top thread keeps wraping around the bobbin and jam

Have you checked the top thread is correctly placed in the spring of the bobbin case?

Anonymous

  • 1 Answer
  • Posted on Dec 26, 2009

SOURCE: Singer Futura 350 bogus thread breaking error

I had the same problem for a LONG time. Yesterday I finally removed the top and the cover for the upper tension and found thread fragments under one of the discs. I removed it and used compressed air for dust clean out and it is working wonderfully. Good Luck

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jan 26, 2010

SOURCE: Singer 301a...sews on top of fabric

This is a tension adjustment problem. It's good to use two different colors of thread, like you did. From your description, the top thread (needle thread) tension needs to be tighter. As you tighten the tension of the top thread, you'll see that the top thread pulls the bobbin thread up into the fabric so it's no longer laying loose on the bottom of the fabric.

You'll need to have the pressure foot down when you tighten the tension. Tighten it a little, sew a practice seam, check to see what the stitch looks like. Tighten it a little more, sew, check, etc etc--until both top and bottom look the same--you shouldn't see much (if any) of the bobbin thread color on top of the fabric or the top thread color on the underside.

Let me know how this works for you, ok?


Robbie

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  • Posted on Feb 22, 2010

SOURCE: singer 301a sewing machine does not sew for more

As for the bobbin thread not picking up it could be your hook timing is off. Do you know how to adjust this?

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Most complaints about sewing machine problems concern thread loops under the fabric, which are usually caused by the upper thread. Your problem is not as common. Generally, when thread problems occur on the top of the fabric, it is a bobbin issue.

Try a brand new needle. Make sure the needle, thread, and fabric are compatible. Also, check that the needle is installed correctly.

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Remove the thread from the machine. Check that the machine is clean--no lint, dust bunnies, thread pieces in the bobbin area, stuck in the feed dogs, or under the needleplate.

ALWAYS RAISE the presser foot when threading. Rethread the machine from the beginning. Check that the thread path is correct for the upper thread and that the bobbin case is loaded and threaded properly. Use the same thread for both upper and bobbin.

Most machine standard upper tension is set at the midway point. However, this is just a beginning point. The tension differs from one machine to another and may need adjusting depending on the fabric you are sewing.

Retest your machine.

If loops are still forming on the top of the fabric, then the bobbin tension may be too loose. Try tightening the bobbin tension (only 1/8th of a turn at a time!).

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Sometimes it is a thread issue. Experiment with different brands of thread. Avoid old or bargain bin threads (the thread in bins at the fabric store are not the best, also Coats & Clark may not work well in your machine). Stick with better quality threads, ie Gutermann, Aurofil, Isocord, etc. Be sure to use the type of thread that is suitable for your project, ie do not use embroidery or cotton thread for sewing garment seams unless you want to be embarrassed when the seams start popping... Polyester used to be the bane of sewing projects but is now used for many items because the quality has improved and, in some cases, surpassed the former favorite cotton. Polyester is light weight but strong. Some machines just do better with one brand of thread over another.

You may also consider testing the machine with different types of fabric to see if it performs better with a particular fabric type or weight.

If it continues to be a problem, perhaps the bobbin case is damaged or malfunctioning. If you cannot find the answer to your problem, you may just need to take it for service.

http://jennys-sewing-studio.com/index.php/product-lines/singer-futura-quartet/75-singer-futura-quartet/155-faq-about-the-singer-futura-xl400.html



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If the bottom thread is tight there should also be loops on top and this means that the upper tension is too tight.
Get out your manual (http://www.singerco.com/uploads/download/1198_8763-efs.pdf) and turn to page 24. Under "ADJUSTING TOP THREAD TENSION" it tells you that if you're having thread tension issues, change the tension control dial on the top of your machine from auto. It also shows you a diagram with your problem illustrated on the right side of the page. The bobbin tension is set at the factory, so all tension problems can be solved with top tension adjustment. Set it manually and if it loops on top, loosen the tension a little. Test again. Repeat until loops are gone.
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Loosen the top tension to balance it--it should only take a couple of "ticks"--no more than one number. Loosening the top tension, by the way, is AWAY from the "S".
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This is a tension adjustment problem. It's good to use two different colors of thread, like you did. From your description, the top thread (needle thread) tension needs to be tighter. As you tighten the tension of the top thread, you'll see that the top thread pulls the bobbin thread up into the fabric so it's no longer laying loose on the bottom of the fabric.

You'll need to have the pressure foot down when you tighten the tension. Tighten it a little, sew a practice seam, check to see what the stitch looks like. Tighten it a little more, sew, check, etc etc--until both top and bottom look the same--you shouldn't see much (if any) of the bobbin thread color on top of the fabric or the top thread color on the underside.

Let me know how this works for you, ok?


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