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Triac devices are not restive. They are like back to back SCRs. Once gated they will not turn off until the power crosses zero. It will do that 50 or 60 times a second then needed to be re-gated.

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1) Here's step-by step for checking electric water heater circuit:
Testing assumes water heater is fully functional (although your water heater might have a short).
http://waterheatertimer.org/Test-electricity-to-water-heater.html

2) Once circuit breaker and line are eliminated, take 30 minutes and test internal parts of water heater as shown on following link.
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http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-troubleshoot-electric-problems-with-water-heater.html

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Test procedure for elements and thermostat

Remove upper and lower access panels
in upper access, use voltage tester to test voltage of on the uppermost terminals above the red reset button. should be ~220V between terminals (110 to ground)
If not: breaker off or bad,
If 220V proceed:
Test the two terminals immediately below this reset button should be 220V
If not: reset tripped or bad
If 220V present, proceed.
Turn off breaker to heater.

Use ohm meter or continuity tester.
test resistance across upper element terminals -should be 10 to15 ohms
check between each terminal and ground -should be open circuit .
If not replace element
Repeat for lower element.

test across lower element thermostat should be no resistance when stat turned up so it clicks on.
(To test that lower stat turns off, allow tank to heat up completely before conducting this test) Turn sta temp down so it clicks off then test across stat terminals -should be open circuit

The upper thermostat is a 3 way switch
The simplest way to test it is to turn the power back on turn the upper stat all the way up so it clicks on and use voltage tester across the UPPER element terminals, should be ~220V
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Turn lower stat up so it clicks on, check Voltage across lower element -should be ~220V turn lower stat down so clicks off, should be 0 V across lower element terminals.

NOTE If tank is completely cold the upper stat will not switch off and wont send power to lower stat.
If lower tank is cold lower stat may not click off even when turned down.
normal stat setting is 125 to 130
The hotter you you set the stat, the faster your tank corrodes.
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