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Anonymous Posted on Aug 05, 2013

There is power to the system but when you turn water on elements do not come one and heat water. all phases have 238 volts to them. why will system not turn on and heat water

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Do you have 3-phase water heater? Is this balanced or unbalanced 3-phase unit. Add comment and describe product in detail, including brand since i have some service resources for both types.
Or do you have ordinary residential split-phase 240Volt Bosch tankless computer that heats water, and has 2 or 3 separate elements, and a separate circuit breaker supplying power to each element? And testing across both hot leads coming from each breaker yields 238Volt?
Copy following link for Bosch tankless manuals, with brief troubleshoot section that does not provide detailed service procedures for repairing tankless computer:
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-wire-Tankless-electric-water-heater.html#manual
If this is new water heater, then call installer. If you installed yourself, then remove tankless and return to seller for refund.
Tankless computers require certain amount of water flow to activate computer sensors. Turn on Hot tap and listen to pipe to hear if water if flowing through hot pipe. Check for crossover:
http://waterheatertimer.org/Crossover.html
Clean water filter usually located just above where cold water connects to unit.
Delime tankless ... and use water softener. Tankless cannot be exposed to more than 11 grains hardness in water, or parts will fail within 2-3 years. Simply deliming tankless heat exchanger each year will not maintain full efficiency... although for typical family of 4, tankless comper water heater costs $100 more to operate than tank-type heater according to manufacturer's promo literature and independent studies.
Call local technician who specializes in fixing tankless computers. For plumbing problems call local plumber. These are two different things.
If tankless computer is older, then cut losses, and buy tank-type electric water heater at Lowes for $285 and make quick changeover and have hot water same day. Sell old tankless on ebay and cheat next guy, or sell at scrapyard for $3 per 100.
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Should I have power at both elements all the time?

Push circuit breaker fully off and then fully ON
Test for 240 volt across top twp screws on upper thermostat.
If tank was not full of water when breaker was turned on, then upper element burned out.
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-troubleshoot-electric-problems-with-water-heater.html#new

Yes both elements will test for 120 volt to ground at all times... but it takes 240 volt to heat element
http://waterheatertimer.org/Element-tests-for-120-Volts.html

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My limited research indicates this heater is designed for USA electrical systems. That would mean single phase, 240/208 volts, 60 Hz. The drawings I reviewed shows a 2 pole, 240 volt breaker feeding each heating circuit. That means no "neutral wire" goes to the heater and therefore no 120 volts is needed. This is good. Kenya's system is single phase, 240 volts, 50 Hz. The heater should work reasonably well on the African system. Connect the power just like you would in the US.
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We have power to the system but elements do not come on and heat water when you turn on water. there is 238 volts between all phases. System does not kick on when you turn water on

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Can I run the hot water heater with a generator

Yes.
Ordinary electric water heater can run on any voltage from any direction (excluding volt/amp ratings below what can heat element coil).

Voltages include single-phase, split phase, and 3-phase residential/commercial voltages with either 50 or 60 Hz.
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-wire-water-heater-for-120-Volt.html
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-wire-water-heater-thermostats.html#3-phase

Install line fuse.
30 amp fuse would be required to prevent wires from overheating, and eliminate fire hazard.

This information does NOT apply to energy-smart electric water heater with box on top of heater, or newer energy smart with electronics, or to hybrid water heaters, or heat pump water heaters with delicate electronic circuitry.

Why it works like this:
Ordinary electric water heater thermostats are mechanical bi-metal switches and respond to tank temperature, and are not operated by electricity.
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Heat elements are simple coil of thermal wire that gets hot when voltage is applied.
The element will get hot when power is applied.

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POWER PROB: I have an 85 Gal. Marathon water heater and I'm having some power issues. I have 240 Volts coming into the water heater and on the "upper" element but I only have 120 Volts on the...

It sounds like upper or lower thermostat.
Thermostats turn off one leg (or one wire) in the 240Volt circuit, so each elements will test for 120V even when thermostat is off.
When thermostat turns ON, it closes circuit by adding the second leg to 240V circuit, and element turns ON.
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-wire-EH40-hot-water-heater-timer.html#120-240
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-water-heater-thermostat-works.html

Take 30 minutes and troubleshoot before replacing parts:
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-troubleshoot-electric-problems-with-water-heater.html
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Water is not hot, doesn't last long. Thermostats turn elements on when turned up. Elements show 230 when on.

Lower element can be burned out and still read 230V across screws

1) We know thermostats are working because elements test 230V.
2) We know upper element is working because tank has some hot water.
If upper element is burned out, tank will have no hot water.
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-it-works.html

3) Here's how to test lower element:
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-test-water-heater-element.html

4)Here's how to replace element
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http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-clean-sediment-out-of-electric-water-heater.html

5) Rheem manual says: Heaters furnished with standard 240 volt AC, single phase non-simultaneous wiring, and 4500 watt upper and lower heating elements.
http://waterheatertimer.org/pdf/Rheem-spec-sheet.pdf

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The controls of electric water heaters are designed so that at no time are both the top and bottom heating elements energized. Nearly all electric water heaters of this capacity in the US & Canada (other places, too) operate on 240 Volts.

When the water in the tank is below the set point of the thermostat (in your case - 120 degrees), the top heating element is expected to be on - (unless there is an issue with the top thermostat or limit switch). The top most control is the "high temperature limit". It is identified by the reset button on it. Make sure this isn't tripped by depressing the button. If it clicks - it was tripped and should start to make hot water at this point. If not tripped, you should check for the presence of 240 Volts between the heating element terminal screws. Do not measure from ground to a terminal screw and believe 120 Volts is "good". To make heat, you need 240 Volts - not 120 Volts measured across the terminals - not to ground. The amount of heat created running at 120 Volts is only 1/4 of what it will do at the correct voltage.

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un hook the incoming power lines, turn the breaker back on, and carefully measure power between the 2 hot wires, not the ground. You must have 220 to 240 volts between these 2 wires, if you dont either the breaker is bad, or the wire is broken somewhere. If you have 240 volts to the heater, with the power OFF unhook the wires from both elements and use an ohm meter to test the resistance on the elements, both should be around 30 ohms and about the same, if not one is bad. Test across the elements after re connecting them and turning the power on you must have 240 volts across the elements when they are on, if you have only 120 or 0 then the trouble is the breaker or the wire.
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