Cobra 29 WX NW ST 40-Channels Base CB Radio Logo
Joe Benson Posted on Jan 31, 2007

No front panel lighting

The dimmer works properly in adjusting the lighting of the channel display and signal meter. But the front panel does not light up. Is this a simple fix such as a bulb replacement?

  • oldcars Nov 25, 2007

    The nightwatch feature worked on my cobra 29 until I had a shop replace the blown meter light with one of the multicolored rainbow lights. Now the backlight for the knobs doesn't light. The l.e.d. lights are fine.

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The "nightwatch" lighting uses an EL or electroluminescent material that does degrade with age. If the radio is old, then it may be lighting very dimly (check in a dark room with the dimmer at full bright). The material is connected by a ribbon to a special high voltage pulsed powersupply that runs at about 500 volt. If the power supply is working then a new face would be in order or a new radio. If the powersupply is not working it may be repairable but requires working with surface mount components. Either way, it is NOT a simple lightbulb fix. I have successfully repaired and do stock the smc components to repair but cannot get the faces through cobra ($$$). More info? Contact through www.cbshop.info

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