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Anonymous Posted on Oct 08, 2011

The black wire on the inside panel sparks - Intermatic WH40 - Water Heater Time Switch - NEMA 1 Indoor Steel Case - DPS

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One question says black wire is sparking is inside water heater, and this question says black wire is sparking inside the panel and is posted under WH40 water heater timer.

If wire is sparking, then it is not attached firmly, or wire is not attached correctly, or there may be too many amps drawn across the terminal.
WH40 has 40 amp terminals and will handle all residential water heaters.

Open following links for instruction how to avoid sparking, and avoid fires inside timer:
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-troubleshoot-Intermatic-timer.html#fire
Open following link to see how to apply wire nut:
http://waterheatertimer.org/How-to-twist-electric-wire.html

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3) Product manual shows 24 Kw or 24,000 watts
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