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Misfire causing back fire turn over but no start what could be the problem?

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Have you changed the HT leads recently./ Sounds like they are on the wrong way round and not with the correct firing order causing the engine to not catch and not start but misfire as it is trying to to start the wrong cylinder at the wrong time.

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When a cylinder misfires, it can disrupt the engine's smooth operation and cause a loss of power. In some cases, it can be severe enough to stall the engine while driving. The erratic behavior of the RPM gauge could also be related to this misfire.
To address the issue, you should consider the following steps:

  1. Diagnose the Misfire: Confirm that the problem is indeed a misfire in cylinder 5. Use a scan tool to retrieve trouble codes and identify the specific issue causing the misfire. This could be related to ignition, fuel delivery, or other engine components.
  2. Check Spark Plugs and Ignition Components: Inspect and replace the spark plugs and ignition components, such as the ignition coil and spark plug wires, if they are worn or damaged.
  3. Check Fuel System: Ensure that the fuel injector for cylinder 5 is functioning correctly. It should provide the right amount of fuel to the cylinder.
  4. Examine Vacuum Leaks: Vacuum leaks can also cause misfires. Check for vacuum leaks in the intake manifold or vacuum hoses.
  5. Perform a Compression Test: Low compression in cylinder 5 could lead to a misfire. Perform a compression test to check the compression levels in all cylinders.
  6. Consider Other Sensors: Sometimes, faulty sensors like the crankshaft position sensor or camshaft position sensor can also cause misfires. These sensors help the engine's control module determine the correct timing for fuel injection and spark.
  7. Professional Diagnosis: If you're unable to identify and fix the issue on your own, it's advisable to seek the help of a qualified mechanic or technician. They can perform a comprehensive diagnostic check to pinpoint the problem accurately.
A misfire can lead to various engine performance issues and potentially dangerous situations, so it's essential to address it promptly. Ignoring a misfire can also cause damage to other engine components over time.
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The "system lean" codes are pretty much telling you that there is way too much oxygen in the exhaust. There is too much oxygen on BOTH sides of the engine, and that is why you are getting codes for bank 1 and for bank 2. Bank 1 is the side where #1 cykinder is located and Bank 2 is the opposite side.

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A misfire can be caused by many things it can be vacuum leaks, bad spark plugs, bad ignition cables, faulty ignition coils, fouled or malfunctioning injectors or injector circuits, blown head gasket, cracked cylinder head, burnt valves, etc.. etc..

However, look at the codes you have. Then look at the firing order for your engine. 2002 Mercury Sable is only equipped with a 3.0L 2V 6-cylinder engine.
The firing order is 1-4-2-5-3-6

Now if you take the firing order and split it in half, stack the two halves on top of each other, it looks like this:
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When you look at the firing order this way, you can see that cylinders 1 an 5, 4 and 3, and 2 and 6, are "PAIRED" cylinders. They are exacly opposite in the firing order. Now, the cylinder only fires every second revolution of the crankshaft. With paired cylinders, one of the cylinders in the pair will fire on the first revolution and the other cylinder will fire on the second revolution.

Looking back at your codes, please note that the cylinders that are setting the misfire codes are paired cylinders.

Now the coil pack for your ignition is actually made up of three coils. Each coil fires a set of paired cylinders. If you look at the top of the coil, it will usually be marked with the cylinder numbers that each coil tower is supposed to connect to. The coil will look just like the firing order split and stacked as above.

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I hope this helps you to figure it out. Good luck!
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