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Scored cylinders leading to an oil consumption problem

I was told by dealer that I needed to replace to pistons and re hone and plate the cylinders because the cylinders were scored. Nobody could tell me why this happened in the first place. Possibly an overheating issue?

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  • riis Jun 07, 2009

    I had motor work done 10000 miles prior to this problem. I changed the cams and put in high compression pistons to gain more power as I usually ride 2-up.I also changed the exhaust pipes from 2 into 1 to straight pipes made for this bike by victory. I always changed the oil at 3000 miles and used the expensive Victory synthetic oil.I was never hard on this engine either, rarely reving over 3500rpm's.Sometimes when cold the oil light would come on for a short while although, the dealer checked the oil pressure and said that it was OK and just a sticky sensor.

  • Steve Brown
    Steve Brown May 11, 2010

    So do you think the pistons caused the cylinder problem? when you put the pistons in was it done by a shop or did you do the job. also did they bore the cylinders when they did the piston change or what are the circumstances. because it sounds like maybe the pistons went south causing the cylinder scoring.
    with everything you said you should have never had that kind of problem, if the work was done correctly.
    did you ever hear any noise in the motor after the piston change?
    did they use high quality parts?
    New Rings?
    the only reason for your cylinders to be scored would be from an oiling problem. Unless you had a major overheating issue prior to the cylinders getting toasted.



  • Steve Brown
    Steve Brown May 11, 2010

    did the dealer take the heads off and verify the cylinders are scored. Or did they just come up with that solution.
    You may just have worn rings, that will cause oil consumption and smoking.
    Usually a dealer will want to do the whole job just to make money instead of just freshening the cylinders and re-ringing



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Several possibilities, one or all could have happened. Low oil level, not changing the oil filter and oil when needed, wrong type of oil, Spark plugs with the wrong heat range, not using premium gas, oil pump problems, air leak in the intake leaning the fuel mix, poor seal on the head gasket, bad exhaust valve(s), timing is off and a few other things. What is listed are the usual things causing an engine to overheat. If fuel injected, get that checked too. It could be a lean mix there. In any event, overheating is the cause. Now just find out what caused the overheating.

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  • tombones Jun 07, 2009

    I am not a fan of the synthetics. If they are so good then why the scoring? Why the sticky sensor? Oh, and on that sensor, I don't believe the dealer. It sounds like a brush off. I would use 10w40 or 20w50 motor oil if I had the bike. No oils with "special" additives but sticking with the major brands; Pennzoil, Quaker State, Mobil or Shell. Try the 10w40 and see if the 'sticky sensor' doesn't disappear.

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