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Timing chain has a lot of slack and is rubbing against internal case. question can existing chain be tightened or must be replaced completely

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It will be good that the chain is replaced as the slack had made the chain loose off the mechanical strength.
So it will be ideal to have the chain replaced at least in the near future as you can for the time being tighten as continue to use, with the slapping noise reduced.

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The timing chain keeps the major componants in the engine alligned. A new chain will allign the engine componants better than an old chain that is sagging... and will thusly make the engine perform better and get better fuel milage as well as last longer.

I would replace the chain and not even consider the tightening of a chain that is that worn out...

You are lucky not to have the chain skip and cause the valves to come into contact with the pistons... ( read ; Interference engine)

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  2. Remove the exhaust manifold. Refer to Exhaust Manifold Replacement in Engine Exhaust.
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  13. Install the coolant inlet pipe. Refer to Engine Coolant Inlet Pipe Replacement.
  14. Install the timing chain and tensioner. Refer to Camshaft Timing Chain, Sprocket, and Tensioner Replacement in Engine Mechanical - 2.4L.
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  22. Install the timing chain guides.
  23. Install the engine front cover. Refer to Engine Front Cover Replacement.
  24. Connect the negative battery cable.
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  8. Retract the tensioner plunger and pin the ratchet lever using a 1 / 8 in. No. 31 drill bit inserted in the alignment hole at the bottom front of the component. Install the tensioner and tighten the bolts to 14 ft. lbs. (19 Nm), then remove the drill bit.
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INSTALLATION

NOTE: Assemble the timing chain, crankshaft sprocket and camshaft sprocket with the timing marks aligned Fig. 5 .
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