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2005 F150 5.4 Cuts off when driving at constant speed and show "Engine Fail Safe Mode" on display. It will crank back up and run for several hundred miles before doing it again. P2112 Throttle Air Control System Stuck Closed - P2104 Throttle Air Control System Force Idle - P0506 Idle Control System RPM Lower Than Expected & P0420 Catalyst Effeciency Below Threshold Bank 1 are the codes that I get. Is there a simple fix? Thanks

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Unfortunately no ! Your best bet take it to the dealer . The P0420 always ends up being the catalytic converter ! P2104 isn't throttle air control . P2112 - Throttle Actuator Control (TAC) System - Stuck Closed. Description: This powertrain control module (PCM) fault status indicates the throttle plate is at a lower angle than commanded. Possible Causes:

  • Binding throttle body, stuck closed.
  • Damaged PCM.
Diagnostic Aids: Application Key On Engine Off Key On Engine Running Continuous Memory All GO to DV1
P2104 - Throttle Actuator Control (TAC) System - Forced Idle Description: The TAC system is in the failure mode effects management (FMEM) mode of forced idle. Possible Causes:
  • Open or short in multiple accelerator pedal position (APP) sensor circuits.
  • Damaged APP sensor.
  • Damaged powertrain control module (PCM).
Diagnostic Aids: This DTC is an informational DTC and can be set in combination with a number of other DTCs which are causing the FMEM. Diagnose other DTCs first. Application Key On Engine Off Key On Engine Running Continuous Memory All GO to QE1
P0506 - Idle Air Control (IAC) System RPM Lower Than Expected For Vehicles With Electronic Throttle Control (ETC) Description: This DTC is set when the powertrain control module (PCM) detects an engine idle speed that is less than the desired RPM. Possible Causes:
  • Air intake restriction.
  • Exhaust restriction.
  • Engine mechanical fault.
  • Damaged electronic throttle body (ETB).
  • Damaged PCM.
Diagnostic Aids: This DTC is informational only and it may be accompanied by other DTCs. Diagnose other DTCs first. If other DTCs are not present inspect the intake air system for air restrictions and damage. If no concerns are present, clear the DTC and retest. For All Others Description: This DTC is set when the powertrain control module (PCM) detects an engine idle speed that is less than the desired RPM. Possible Causes:
  • IAC circuit open.
  • Air inlet is plugged.
  • B+ or VPWR to IAC solenoid open.
  • Damaged or incorrect IAC valve.
  • IAC valve stuck closed.
  • VPWR to IAC solenoid open.
  • IAC circuit shorted to PWR.
Diagnostic Aids: Disconnect the IAC valve and look for little or no change in engine RPM as an indication of a stuck or damaged valve. Application Key On Engine Off Key On Engine Running Continuous Memory Vehicles With Electronic Throttle Control (ETC) Refer to the Description, Possible Causes and Diagnostic Aids for the DTC. All others GO to KE1

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SOURCE: I have a 1996 Lexus LX450, engine light came on. The DTC is P0420

With that code you most likely have to replace the catalytic converter.You can try to reset the light but it will come back in time.

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jan 11, 2009

SOURCE: P0420 Catalyst System below threshold (Bank 1)

Replace the O2 sensors . they have one in the front and one in the back of the Catalytic Coverter pipes.Scan the SUV again to see if the codes were cleared.Meaning no "check engine light" on.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Mar 09, 2009

SOURCE: I have a P0420 code catalyst efficiency below

it is a bad converter not o 2 sensor i would change the cat and both o 2 sensors

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  • Posted on May 25, 2009

SOURCE: Code P0506, Idle control system RPM low

It's common that you get a lot of carbon build up at the base of the throttle body. Give it a good spray cleaning with injector cleaner and dry it with a hair dryer. If you find it still to dirty, you can try it again with a second can or if you can try using Sea Foam that you can buy at an auto parts store like Auto Zone. The Sea foam will clean out the carbon but also create a lot of smoke.
When i say lot's of smoke, just do a search on You Tube for Sea Foam. Good luck and hope this helps.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on May 25, 2009

SOURCE: Engine goes to idle while driving

P2104 Throttle Actuator Control System - Forced Idle
P2106 Throttle Actuator Control System - Forced Limited Power
P2111 Throttle Actuator Control System - Stuck Open
P2112 Throttle Actuator Control System - Stuck Closed
P2135 Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch “A” /"B" Voltage Correlation
I looked it up and I will give you a web site I got it from http://www.f150online.com/forums/v8-engines/280570-p2104-p2106-p2111-p2112-p2135.html I hope this helps

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To determine the correct power mode the PMM uses the following circuits:
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0
0
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1
1
1
CRANK
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1
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