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The fuel pump draws far too much current to be allowed to go through the ignition switch. It would melt.
So there is always a relay.
And the ignition just turns the relay on and off.
The relay should be in the fuse box I would assume, but I don't remember exactly on a Saab.
As a temporary test, you can plug jumpers into the relay socket and run to a toggle switch.
But of course this is not a good permanent solution because you can forget and ruin the battery, or it could stay on in an accident.

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Three things you may want to check out next in your problem diagnosis:

1. You may actually be getting power to the fuel pump through the functioning fuel pump relay and the good fuse, but the fuel pump itself may have failed - you can check by disconnecting the fuel pump electrical connector, and checking for battery voltage when the ignition key is turned to "Start".

2. The ignition switch itself may have failed, since it has been recalled on this vehicle. The recalled defect may have caused a failure of the switch to deliver power to the fuel pump at startup. Here's a list of all the recalls for the 1997 Accord:

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3. Testing the PGM-FI main relay is fairly involved (and not detailed in the information below). You may want to re-post your query asking for the testing & diagnosis procedure for this component alone.

Below find the 1997 Honda Accord manual entry for diagnosis & testing of the fuel pump electrical circuit.

TESTING

Fuel Pump Circuit

If you suspect a problem with the fuel pump, listen for the pump to operate by removing the fuel fill cap and checking to see if the pump can be heard running during the first two seconds after the ignition key is turned to the ON position. You should hear the fuel pump motor run.

If the fuel pump can be heard running, the fuel pump's electrical circuit is likely to be OK and the fuel pump operating pressure should be checked as outlined later in this section.

Once the engine has started, the fuel pump operation is controlled by the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) via the PGM-FI Main Relay. The fuel pump receives its electrical power from the PGM-FI Main Relay, which is triggered for two seconds when the ignition switch is initially turned to the on position.

After the initial two-second startup signal is received, the PGM-FI Main Relay is controlled by the PCM. Because the fuel pump receives its power from the PGM-FI Main Relay, a problem with the ignition switch, PCM, or electrical wiring may not allow battery voltage to reach the pump.

To check the fuel pump wiring proceed as follows:

1. Make sure the ignition switch is in the OFF position.
2. Locate and detach the fuel pump electrical connector at the fuel tank.
3. You may have to remove the floor access panel. For specific details, see the fuel pump removal procedure in this section.
4. Fuel pump access is limited on some 1996-97 models of the Accord and may require you to work under the vehicle. Perform the following steps if that is the situation:

a. Raise the vehicle and safely support it on suitable jackstands.
b. Remove the protective cover from the fuel tank fuel hoses.

5. Detach the fuel pump electrical connector.
6. Connect a suitable Voltmeter between the fuel pump positive terminal of the electrical connector and a known good chassis ground.
7. Hold the electrical connector of the PGM-FI Main Relay so the wire side of the female terminals is visible and install a jumper wire between terminal Nos. 4 and 5.
8. When the ignition switch is turned ON , battery voltage should be present at the fuel pump electrical connector.
9. If the battery voltage is present, check the fuel pump's ground.
10. If the ground is "OK", check the fuel pump.
11. If battery voltage is not present, trace the wiring harness and check the cause for an open or shorted circuit.
12. If all wiring checks out, test the fuel pressure, as outlined later in this section.

Fuel Pump Pressure

The fuel pressure should be checked at the fuel rail or at the fuel feed line for the fuel rail. The fuel pressure is checked with the engine started, thus the fuel pressure gauge must not interrupt the flow of fuel to the fuel rail and the fuel injectors.

To attach a fuel pressure gauge to the pressurized fuel loop requires the use of an adapter that is capable of safely withstanding the fuel system fuel pressure.

WARNING
Checking the fuel system fuel pressure requires the use of an in-line fuel pressure gauge with the engine running. Do not perform this check if suitable test equipment and fuel fittings are not available. The fuel system operates under pressure, if any fuel leakage is noticed while performing this check STOP immediately and do not continue until the source of the leak is resolved. Do not perform this test near sources of heat, spark, or flames. This test must be performed in a well-ventilated area.


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The fuel injection system remains under pressure, even after the engine has been turned OFF . The fuel system pressure MUST BE relieved before disconnecting any fuel lines. Failure to do so may result in fire and/or personal injury.

To check the fuel system pressure proceed as follows:

1. Remove the fuel filler cap and relieve the residual fuel pressure. For specific details, refer to the relieving fuel pressure coverage in this section.
2. Attach a suitable fuel pressure gauge to the fuel injection fuel loop as follows:

Models such as the 1998-00 Accord have a fuel pulsation dampener which must be removed in place of the banjo bolt for testing.

1996-97 Accord with 4-cylinder engines and 1996-00 Prelude: Remove the service/banjo bolt from the end of the fuel rail. Install the fuel pressure gauge using a suitable fitting to temporarily substitute for the banjo bolt or in place of the service bolt that will allow fuel to be supplied to the gauge and the fuel rail.

1996-97 Accord with V6 engines: Remove the banjo bolt from the fuel filter outlet and install the pressure gauge using a suitable fitting to temporarily substitute for the banjo bolt and supply fuel to the gauge and the fuel rail.

1998-00 Accord: Remove the fuel pulsation damper from the end of the fuel rail and install a suitable fuel pressure gauge in its place.

3. Remove and plug the vacuum line for the fuel pressure regulator located near the end of the fuel rail.
4. Start the engine and note the fuel pressure. With the pressure regulator vacuum hose disconnected and plugged, the fuel pressure should register as follows:

2.2L engines: 38-46 psi (260-310 kPa)

2.3L engines: 47-54 psi (320-370 kPa)

2.7L engines: 40-47 psi (270-320 kPa)

3.0L engines: 41-48 psi (280-330 kPa)

If the engine won't start, turn on the ignition switch ON, wait two seconds, then turn off the ignition switch OFF. Turn the ignition switch back ON again and read the fuel pressure.

5. If the fuel pressure is higher than specification check for a pinched or restricted fuel return hose or line.

6. If the fuel pressure is lower than the specification check for a damaged fuel pressure regulator, clogged fuel filter, fuel feed line or a leak in the fuel feed line. If the fuel pressure regulator, fuel feed lines, and fuel pump are OK, replace the fuel pump and fuel filter.

The fuel pressure regulator testing procedures are located later in this section.

Once the test is complete, perform the following:

7. Carefully remove the fuel pressure gauge and test fittings.
8. Install the removed fasteners using new sealing washers.
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10. Start the engine and check for any fuel leaks, and repair as necessary.
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2 Inspect Battery Cable -- Corroded, Broken, Shorted or Poorly Connected Battery Cable.
3 Inspect Distributor Cap -- Distributor Cap Cracked or Burned.
3 Inspect Fuel Filter -- Clogged or Dirty Fuel Filter.
5 Inspect Coil - Ignition -- Faulty Ignition Coil.
6 Inspect Wireset -- Worn, Damaged or Faulty Spark Plug Wire(s).
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8 Inspect Starter -- Starter Motor Faulty.
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Electric Fuel Pump REMOVAL & INSTALLATION CAUTION
Fuel injection systems remain under pressure, even after the engine has been turned OFF. The fuel system pressure must be relieved before disconnecting any fuel lines. Failure to do so may result in fire and/or personal injury.
  1. If equipped with air suspension, the air suspension switch, located on a side panel of the trunk compartment, must be turned to the OFF position before raising the vehicle.
  2. Disconnect the negative battery cable.
  3. Relieve fuel system pressure using the recommended procedure.
  4. Raise and safely support the vehicle.
  5. Remove the fuel tank from the vehicle and place on a suitable work bench.
  6. Remove any dirt that has accumulated around the fuel pump retaining flange so it will not enter the tank during pump removal and installation.
  7. On 1988-94 models, turn the fuel pump locking ring counterclockwise and remove the locking ring.
  8. On 1995-00 models, remove the retaining bolts around the perimeter of the fuel pump module.
  9. Remove the fuel pump/sending unit assembly. Remove and discard the seal ring. To install:
  10. Clean the fuel pump mounting flange, fuel tank mounting surface and seal ring groove.
  11. Apply a light coating of grease on a new seal ring to hold it in place during assembly and install it in the seal ring groove.
  12. Install the fuel pump/sending unit assembly carefully to ensure the filter is not damaged. Make sure the locating keys are in the keyways and the seal ring remains in the groove.
  13. Hold the pump assembly in place and install the locking ring finger-tight. Make sure all the locking tabs are under the tank lock ring tabs.
  14. Rotate the locking ring clockwise until the ring is against the stops.
  15. Install the fuel tank into the vehicle.
  16. Lower the vehicle.
  17. If equipped with air suspension, turn the air suspension switch to the ON position.
  18. Add a minimum of 10 gallons of fuel to the tank and check for leaks.
  19. Reconnect the negative battery cable.
  20. Turn the ignition switch to the RUN position several times to pressurize the fuel system. Check for fuel leaks and correct as necessary.
  21. Start the engine and check for leaks.
  22. Road test the vehicle and check for proper operation. Fig. 1: The fuel pump is located in the fuel tank. On some models it can be viewed from the side as shown here 89605p02.jpg
    Fig. 2: Electric fuel pump removal 84175037.gif
    Fig. 3: Fuel pump locking ring installation 84175038.gif
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REMOVAL & INSTALLATION
CAUTION
Fuel injection systems remain under
pressure, even after the engine has been turned OFF. The fuel system pressure
must be relieved before disconnecting any fuel lines. Failure to do so may
result in fire and/or personal injury.

  1. If equipped with air suspension, the air suspension switch, located on a
    side panel of the trunk compartment, must be turned to the OFF position
    before raising the vehicle.
  2. Disconnect the negative battery cable.
  3. Relieve fuel system pressure using the recommended procedure.
  4. Raise and safely support the vehicle.
  5. Remove the fuel tank from the vehicle and place on a suitable work bench.
  6. Remove any dirt that has accumulated around the fuel pump retaining flange
    so it will not enter the tank during pump removal and installation.
  7. On 1988-94 models, turn the fuel pump locking ring counterclockwise and
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  8. On 1995-00 models, remove the retaining bolts around the perimeter of the
    fuel pump module.
  9. Remove the fuel pump/sending unit assembly. Remove and discard the seal
    ring.
    To install:

  10. Clean the fuel pump mounting flange, fuel tank mounting surface and seal
    ring groove.
  11. Apply a light coating of grease on a new seal ring to hold it in place
    during assembly and install it in the seal ring groove.
  12. Install the fuel pump/sending unit assembly carefully to ensure the filter
    is not damaged. Make sure the locating keys are in the keyways and the seal ring
    remains in the groove.
  13. Hold the pump assembly in place and install the locking ring finger-tight.
    Make sure all the locking tabs are under the tank lock ring tabs.
  14. Rotate the locking ring clockwise until the ring is against the stops.
  15. Install the fuel tank into the vehicle.
  16. Lower the vehicle.
  17. If equipped with air suspension, turn the air suspension switch to the
    ON
    position.
  18. Add a minimum of 10 gallons of fuel to the tank and check for leaks.
  19. Reconnect the negative battery cable.
  20. Turn the ignition switch to the RUN position several times to
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  21. Start the engine and check for leaks.
  22. Road test the vehicle and check for proper operation.





    Fig. 1: The fuel pump is located in the fuel tank. On some
    models it can be viewed from the side as shown here
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    Fig. 2: Electric fuel pump removal
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    Fig. 3: Fuel pump locking ring installation
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Fuel Pump Removal & Installation Main To Remove:
  1. Disconnect battery negative cable.
  2. Relieve fuel system pressure.
  3. Raise and safely support vehicle.
  4. Remove fuel tank.
  5. Remove fuel sender assembly by turning cam lock counterclockwise. gm-04-00-954.gif

  6. Remove fuel sender assembly from fuel tank.
To Install:
  1. Using NEW O-ring seal, Install fuel pump sender to fuel tank.
  2. Install cam lock assembly and turn clockwise to lock.
  3. Install fuel tank.
  4. Cycle ignition switch OFF and OFF and check for fuel leaks.
Balance 7.4L To Remove:
  1. Disconnect battery negative cable.
  2. Relieve fuel system pressure.
  3. Disconnect electrical connector.
  4. Clean both fuel pipe connections and area surrounding fuel pump to avoid contamination of fuel system. gm-05-74-997.gif

  5. Disconnect fuel pipes at fuel pump.
  6. Slide fuel pump out of bracket.
To Install:
  1. Install NEW O-ring seals on fuel pipes.
  2. Position pump in pump bracket.
  3. Connect fuel feed and suction pipes to pump.
    • Torque to: 22 ft lbs. (30 Nm).
  4. Connect electrical connector.
  5. Connect battery negative cable.
  6. Cycle ignition switch OFF and OFF and check for fuel leaks.
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How to change a fuel pump

Ford Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis 1989-1998

Electric Fuel Pump - REMOVAL & INSTALLATION

CAUTION Fuel injection systems remain under pressure, even after the engine has been turned OFF. The fuel system pressure must be relieved before disconnecting any fuel lines. Failure to do so may result in fire and/or personal injury.
  1. If equipped with air suspension, the air suspension switch, located on the right-hand side of the luggage compartment, must be turned to the OFF position before raising the vehicle.
  2. Disconnect the negative battery cable.
  3. Relieve fuel system pressure using the recommended procedure.
  4. Raise and safely support the vehicle.
  5. Remove the fuel tank from the vehicle and place on a suitable work bench.
  6. Remove any dirt that has accumulated around the fuel pump retaining flange so it will not enter the tank during pump removal and installation.
  7. On 1989-94 models, turn the fuel pump locking ring counterclockwise and remove the locking ring.
  8. On 1995-98 models, remove 6 retaining bolts around the perimeter of the fuel pump module.
  9. Remove the fuel pump/sending unit assembly. Remove and discard the seal ring.
To install:
  1. Clean the fuel pump mounting flange, fuel tank mounting surface and seal ring groove.
  2. Apply a light coating of grease on a new seal ring to hold it in place during assembly and install in the seal ring groove.
  3. Install the fuel pump/sending unit assembly carefully to ensure the filter is not damaged. Make sure the locating keys are in the keyways and the seal ring remains in the groove.
  4. Hold the pump assembly in place and install the locking ring finger-tight. Make sure all the locking tabs are under the tank lock ring tabs.
  5. Rotate the locking ring clockwise until the ring is against the stops.
  6. Install the fuel tank into the vehicle.
  7. Lower the vehicle.
  8. If equipped with air suspension, turn the air suspension switch to the ON position.
  9. Add a minimum of 10 gallons of fuel to the tank and check for leaks.
  10. Reconnect the negative battery cable.
  11. Turn the ignition switch to the RUN position several times to pressurize the fuel system. Check for fuel leaks and correct as necessary.
  12. Start the engine and check for leaks.
  13. Road test the vehicle and check for proper operation.

See Figures 1, 2 and 3


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Fig. 1: The fuel pump is located in the fuel tank. On some models it can be viewed from the side as shown here

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Fig. 2: Electric fuel pump removal

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Fig. 3: Fuel pump locking ring installation


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