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Posted on Apr 28, 2010

A/C buttons and Fuel Gage

The a/c buttons will not work along with the display and the a/c is stuck on high. Also the display for the amount of fuel used/left is not working. What do you think this could be?

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You need to access the body module with a scanner and follow a flow chart , to find those problems.

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The speedometer defaults to 0 km/h (0 mph) if the IPC detects a loss of class 2 communications with both the PCM and the EBCM.

Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Gage
The IPC displays the engine coolant temperature on the analog ECT gage as determined by the PCM. The PCM monitors the signal circuit of the engine coolant temperature sensor. The IPC receives a class 2 message from the PCM indicating the engine coolant temperature. The IPC illuminates the check gages indicator when a high engine coolant temperature condition exists. The engine coolant temperature gage defaults to 75°C (160°F) or below when one of the following conditions occur:
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• The IPC detects a loss of class 2 communication with the PCM.
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Engine Oil Pressure (EOP) Gage
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• The PCM detects a malfunction in the engine oil pressure sensor signal circuit.
• The IPC detects a loss of class 2 communication with the PCM.
Fuel Gage
The IPC displays the fuel level on the analog fuel gage as determined by the PCM. The PCM monitors the signal circuit of the fuel level sensor. When the fuel level sensor resistance is high, the fuel gage indicates full. When the fuel level sensor resistance is low, the fuel gage indicates empty. The IPC receives a class 2 message from the PCM indicating the filtered fuel level percent. The PCM uses 2 filters for the fuel level percent. The slow filter is used during normal operation. The fast filter is used when the engine is just started or when the vehicle is in Park or Neutral. The fast filter allows the fuel gage to reach the current fuel level quickly. The fuel gage defaults to empty when the following conditions occur:
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Yes the fuel tank has to come out to change the fuel pump. But are you sure that is the problem ? Your vehicle has a Fuel Pump Flow Control Module (electronic's ) Or is it just your fuel level sensor you want to replace ? And to your question of if the fuel level sensor is bad will the car shut down if the gage says it is emty but it is not? No ,this will not shut down the vehicle. You probably have no idea of the complexity of the electronic's involved an the thing's that can cause the gauge not to work .
Fuel Gage
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the fuel level as determined by the ECM. The IPC receives a serial data message from the ECM indicating the fuel level percent. The fuel gage defaults to empty if:
• The ECM detects a malfunction in the fuel level sensor circuit.
• The IPC detects a loss of serial data communications with the BCM
• The BCM detects a loss of serial data communications with the ECM
When the fuel level is less than a pre-determined value, the low fuel indicator illuminates in the IPC.
Unless you have a factory or professional type scan tool your better off taking your vehicle to a qualified repair shop.

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Circuit/System Description
The fuel level sender changes resistance based on the fuel level. The engine control module (ECM) monitors the signal circuit of the fuel level sender to determine fuel level. When the fuel tank is full, the sender resistance is low and the ECM senses a low signal voltage. When the fuel tank is empty, the sender resistance is high and the ECM senses a high signal voltage. The ECM uses the signal circuit of the fuel level sender in order to calculate the remaining fuel level percent in the tank. The ECM sends the fuel level message via the serial data circuit to the body control module (BCM). The BCM sends the fuel level percent to the instrument panel cluster (IPC) via the serial data circuit for display on the fuel gage.

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Short to Ground
High Resistance
Open
Short to Voltage
Signal Performance
Fuel Level Sensor Signal
P0462
1
P0463, P0464
P0463
P0461
Fuel Level Sensor Low Reference
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1
P0463, P0464
P0463
P0461
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• The PCM detects a malfunction in the fuel level sensor circuit.
• The IPC detects a loss of class 2 communications with the PCM.
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The fuel level sensor changes resistance based on fuel level. The PCM monitors the signal circuit of the fuel level sensor in order to determine fuel level. When the fuel tank is full, the sensor resistance is high and the PCM senses a high signal voltage. When the fuel tank is empty, the sensor resistance is low and the PCM senses a low signal voltage. The PCM uses the signal circuit of the fuel level sensor in order to calculate the total remaining fuel (%) in the tank. The PCM sends the fuel level percent via the class 2 serial data circuit to the IPC in order to control the fuel gage. The fuel level information is also used for misfire and EVAP diagnostics
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The IPC detects a loss of SPI communications with the BCM.

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The PCM detects a malfunction in the fuel level sensor circuit.


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The BCM detects a loss of class 2 communications with the PCM.


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The IPC detects a loss of SPI communications with the BCM.

When the fuel level is less than a pre-determined value, the low fuel indicator illuminates.
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For the DE 100 series radio, complete the following procedure, using a scan tool, in order to properly set up communication:

  1. At the Main Menu screen, select: Diagnostics.
  2. At the Vehicle Identification screen, select the following options:
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    Model Year


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    Passenger Car

  4. At the System Selection Menu screen, select: Body.
  5. At the Vehicle Identification screen, select the Platform type.
  6. At the Body screen, select: Radio.
  7. At the Radio screen, select: Special Functions.
  8. At the Special Functions screen, select: Radio Setup.
  9. At the Radio Setup screen, press ENTER. The following test will set up a new or existing radio.
  10. Select one of the following options:
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    Export

  12. Press the ENTER key.
  13. Verify that the scan tool displays "Test in Progress."
  14. Verify that the scan tool displays "Test Completed Successfully."
  15. Press EXIT on the scan tool.
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LEARN VIN


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Diagnostic Trouble Codes


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Class 2 Radio Messages


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Country Code


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Chime Volume


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Chime Level


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12/24 Hour Clock

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The radio setup procedure will also clear the following messages:
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CAL


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CAL ERR


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CALIBRATE

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Fuel Gage
The IPC displays the fuel level as determined by the PCM. The IPC receives a class 2 message from the PCM indicating the fuel level percent. The fuel gage defaults to empty if:
• The PCM detects a malfunction in the fuel level sensor circuit.
• The IPC detects a loss of class 2 communications with the PCM.
When the fuel level is less than a pre-determined value, the low fuel indicator illuminates.

Hooking up a professional or factory scanner an checking input data to the PCM from the sending unit inside the fuel tank ,viewing the information sent to the IPC , Checking for diagnostic trouble code's .
DTC P0461
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Circuit Description
The fuel level sender changes resistance based on fuel level. The PCM monitors the signal circuit of the fuel level sender in order to determine fuel level. When the fuel tank is full, the sender resistance is high and the PCM senses a high signal voltage. When the fuel tank is empty, the sender resistance is low and the PCM senses a low signal voltage. The PCM uses the signal circuit of the fuel level sender in order to calculate the total remaining fuel percentage in the tank. The PCM sends the fuel level percent via the class 2 serial data circuit to the instrument cluster in order to control the fuel gage. The fuel level information is also used for misfire and EVAP diagnostics.

Install a scan tool.
Turn the ignition ON, with the engine OFF.
With a scan tool, observe the Fuel Tank Level Remaining parameter in the PCM data list.
Does the scan tool indicate that the Fuel Tank Level Remaining parameter is less than the specified value?
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No DTC'S - diagnostic trouble code's stored ,use this diagnostic procedure
Fuel Gage Inaccurate or Inoperative
• Refer to Fuel Level Specifications in order to verify the correct fuel level sensor readings. The Fuel Tank Level Remaining parameter is available in the scan tool in the PCM data list.
Test Description
The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.
This step tests for a high resistance in the signal circuit and the low reference circuit of the fuel level sensor.
DTCs will be set in the PCM when you perform this diagnostic table.
Step
Action
Value(s)
Yes
No
Schematic Reference: Instrument Cluster Schematics
1
Did you perform the Instrument Cluster Diagnostic System Check?
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Go to Step 2
Go to Diagnostic System Check - Instrument Cluster
2
Disconnect C104.
Connect the J 33431-C Signal Generator and Instrument Panel Tester between the signal circuit of the fuel level sensor and the low reference circuit of the fuel level sensor on the male terminal side.
Turn the ignition ON, with the engine OFF.
Important: Verify the J 33431-C resistance settings with a DMM.
Vary the resistance on the J 33431-C from 40-250 ohms.
Refer to Fuel Level Specifications in order to convert from resistance to fuel gage display.
Does the fuel gage display the correct fuel level?

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Either there is a short in the fuel sender wiring or the sender in the tank is bad.The actual gauge is rarely bad.Good luck.


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The float affixed to your fuel pump in your gas tank is stuck.

It tells the dash you ALWAYS have a full tank.
You have to drop the tank, PB Blast/WD40 the float, get it to drop down.
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Your unit in the tank is bad. Pull it out and move it up and down while someone looks at the gauge. If doesn't work, buy a new one. They are not that expensive.
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