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David Posted on Sep 04, 2017

2008 Chevy trailblazer want start.

* Not getting ground from ECM to start relay. * Starter/engine will turn when I jumper out starter relay contact. * Am getting 12v signal from ignition switch when key is presssed in the start position. * Transmission shifter will not disengage. * Need pinout diagram for ECM to check to see if start signal is getting to ECM. * Need starter schematic to check for other problems if ECM is not getting start signal. Thanks

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jan 04, 2009

SOURCE: ford starter won't disengage even after the ignition is switched

sounds like to me that the ignition is bad and sticking on the start positon

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jan 30, 2009

SOURCE: 1999 Toyota Solara Starter or Ignition Switch problem?

Your problem is a faulty starter solenoid relay.
It is staying in the POWER ON position.
The relay is located under the hood near the power distribution panel (fusebox) i believe.
Consult your owners manual or Repair manual for exact location.



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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Mar 30, 2009

SOURCE: 2001 Ford Explorer Sport wont start

Even though I bought the vehicle new, there was an aftermarket security system installed. The system had a bad diode, so i removed the system and reconnected the factory wires.

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Sgt Fluffy

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  • Posted on Jun 09, 2009

SOURCE: 1997 Saab 900S Ignition Switch Staying Engaged

The switch needs to be replaced and it requires some special tools if it's in the steering column. If it's on the floor any shade tree mechanic can do it.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jul 06, 2009

SOURCE: where is the starter relay on a 94 Honda Accord

Yes, it sounds like your solenoid is bad and staying engaged against the flywheel, you could do an amperage draw and a voltage drop test to find out for sure, but you will need an DVOM and a amp clamp. Or you could take it into an auto parts store and they will test it for free. Hope this helps.

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