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Engine does not crank with the key in the ignition, cranks but does not start from the kick starter. no previous indications.

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kick starter, you a jeep with a kick starter. wow..... gotta see that.

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Nov 24, 2008

SOURCE: 1999 jeep grand cherokee / 4.0 L.

The door security has nothing to do with the jeep no starting. Check your electrical leads and also terminal leads that run to the battery. If you can, get your battery and your alternator tested to see if theyre any good. If your dash indicates the following while driving;" Transmission Overheat", then, with the engine running, check your transmission fluid level. If the transmission dipstick indaictes that the amount of fluid is low add maybe a quart to it. if you do this again and you find thats its doing the same thing, then there might be a couple of things wrong;

- 1. You may have a leak somewhere. Check your lines and check around the transmission pan. If you find a leak around the pan, than that means that you need a transmission filter kit. This includes a pan gasket and filter.

- 2. If you lift the hood and look over to the left (standing at the front of the car) and find the reserve tank to have a dark color liquid in there, open the top and see what color it is. If it smells and looks like Transmission fluid, then that means you have a busted radiatior. If you open the radiatior cap and look down into it and see the that the color of the fluid is a pepto bismal- looking color, then its deffinatley time for a radiator replacement and flushing of old fluid out of the system.

-3. Transmission is burning up gears and needs to be replaced. i dont know what jeep was thinking when they put a three speed transmission in a car of that size that idles high beacuse of the gears, when it should be a five speed that idles lower being thats a bigger size car.

-4. Check your fuel lines and your fuel filter.

-5. The sensor that sends a signal to the number one cylinder to fire may have gone bad and needs to be replaced.

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Dec 29, 2008

SOURCE: 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee cranks but won't start

Same thing happened to me at about 140k. It was the fuel pump. Best way to test if your pump is failing and loosing pressure is to see if the car will start immediately after it has been running, or turn the key to the alt position for a few minutes before starting. If your engine fires faster after it has been running or the key has been in the alt position you will probably need a new fuel pump. Great news is with a very deep socket to get the tank straps off its a 30 minute job to replace the pump/filter assembly.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Feb 03, 2009

SOURCE: 1998 Jeep Cherokee Sport Ignition Lights Come on but wont crank

Try putting the car in neutral and starting. If its a manual trans it might be the clutch pedal safety switch or it may be something as simple as a loose battery connection.

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mike loshbough

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  • Posted on Jun 11, 2009

SOURCE: 96 grand cherokee crank no start, no spark from

have the crank sensor replaced this controls the spark and injector pulse it is located on the drivers back side of the engine above the transmission housing!

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Karen May

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  • Posted on Jan 15, 2010

SOURCE: 2001 jeep grand cherokee won't start.

Your dealership can read the codes entered into your car's computer every time it malfunctions. Same problem as yours, however, also gets worse, back up lights won't work, sticks in park (in the gas stationing) (very embarrassing), will only run with foot on gas, etc. It was the "neutral safety switch". $500 fix but runs and starts perfectly all the time.

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Do you know how complex the electronics are on that vehicle ? What happens when you turn the key to start position ?
Circuit Description
Moving the ignition switch to the start position applies ignition voltage to the switch side of the STARTER relay. The powertrain control module (PCM) receives a serial data message that crank has been requested from the body control module (BCM). The PCM then verifies that the transmission is in the Park or Neutral position and that theft is not active and grounds the control circuit of the STARTER relay. Battery voltage will then flow through the switch side of the STARTER relay to the S terminal of the starter solenoid, cranking the engine. Ground for the starter is supplied through the engine block.


Hook up a scan tool an check for codes . All system scan ,all control modules on the vehicle .

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The theft deterrent system has been incorporated into the body control module (BCM). The theft deterrent system is provided in order to prevent the vehicle operation if the correct key is not used in order to start the vehicle. The ignition key allows the lock cylinder to rotate. The cylinder rotation produces an analog voltage code in the Passlock™ sensor. This voltage code is received by the BCM. The BCM compares the voltage code to the previously learned voltage code. If the codes match, a serial data message is sent from the BCM to the powertrain control module (PCM). The message enables the fuel injector operation.
The design of the Passlock™ system is to prevent vehicle theft by disabling the engine unless the ignition lock cylinder rotates properly by engaging the correct ignition key. The system is similar in concept to the Passkey system. However, the Passlock™ system eliminates the need for any key mounted components. The components of the Passlock™ system are as follows:
• The ignition lock cylinder
• The ignition switch
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Passlock system does not keep the starter from working . Try putting the vehicle gear selector in neutral an see if the starter works then.
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What makes you think it needs a new starter ? The complexity of the starter system on your vehicle could lead even a professional tech down the wrong path .
Turning the key to start does not send voltage directly to the S terminal on the starter solenoid .
Circuit Description
When the ignition switch is turned to the Start position, the body control module (BCM) receives battery voltage on the ignition 1 voltage circuit, and less than 5 volts on the off/run/crank voltage circuit. The BCM supplies voltage to energize the RUN/CRANK Relay 32. The BCM sends a high speed GMLAN serial data message to the engine control module (ECM) that the key is in the start position. The ECM receives the message from the BCM, and also receives a serial data message from the transmission control module (TCM) containing the shift lever position. If the shift lever is in Park or Neutral when ignition switch is turned to Start, the ECM supplies voltage to the START Relay 31. The START relay supplies voltage to the S terminal of the starter solenoid, through the 30 A STRTR Fuse 26, in order to crank the engine.
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Have an 06 cobalt ss power on with key no crank, bypass clutch switch and jumped relay car starts and runs and drives. Turn off with key and try start with key no crank no click. Has new started and all...

Knowing how it works is key , the ignition switch is a low voltage input to the BCM - body control module . When the BCM see's start input it sends a message over the serial data network to the PCM / ECM - engine computer . When the engine computer reads this message it will energize the crank relay sending B+ voltage to the S terminal on the starter solenoid ,there by cranking the engine . Taking to a qualified repair shop that has a factory or professional scan tool to read BCM DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes is what you should do , before you cause more problems .

Circuit Description
Moving the ignition switch to the START position signals the body control module (BCM) through discrete inputs from the ignition transducer that engine crank has been requested. The BCM verifies that theft is not active and sends a serial data message to the engine control module (ECM)/powertrain control module (PCM) requesting engine start. The ECM/PCM receives a 12-volt signal from the park/neutral position (PNP) switch or clutch pedal start switch notifying that it is safe to start the engine. There is a splice on this circuit in the fuse block-underhood that supplies power for the starter relay coil. The starter relay coil control circuit is then grounded by the ECM/PCM closing the switch in the starter relay suppling 12 volts to the S-terminal of the starter. Ground is supplied through the engine block.
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First off you have no clue how complex the starting system is on your vehicle . Suggest you buy factory service repair manual an read up on the starting system on your vehicle . A lot of thing's can keep the PCM/ECM from energizing the starter relay .Do you know what happens when the key is turned to the start position ?
Circuit Description (ECM/PCM Controlled)
Moving the ignition switch to the START position sends a 12-volt signal to the engine control module (ECM)/powertrain control module (PCM) Crank Request circuit. The ECM/PCM verifies that the transmission is in the PARK or NEUTRAL position. With the transmission in Park, voltage flows through the Park/Neutral position switch and feeds the starter relay coil. The PCM then grounds the control circuit of the starter relay. When the starter relay is energized it allows battery positive voltage to the starter solenoid S terminal. On some vehicles the starter will continue to crank the engine with the key released until it starts or the crank command has timed out to prevent excessive heat build up in the starter circuitry or the ECM/PCM receives an engine run flag.
Circuit Description (BCM Controlled)
Moving the ignition to the START position signals the body control module (BCM) that engine crank has been requested. The BCM verifies that theft is not active and sends a serial data message to the powertrain control module (PCM) requesting engine start. The BCM also energizes the RUN/CRANK RELAY. When the RUN/CRANK RELAY switch side closes, and the vehicle is in Park or Neutral or with the clutch is fully depressed, if equipped, supplies voltage to the starter relay coil. The PCM verifies the transmission is in Park or Neutral and the clutch is fully depressed, if equipped. The PCM will then ground the control circuit of the starter relay, closing the switch supplying voltage to the starter solenoid. On some vehicles the starter will continue to crank the engine with the key released until it starts of the crank command has timed out to prevent excessive heat build up in the starter circuitry or the PCM receives an engine run flag.

Your best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop before you short out a control module.
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Do you know if it is ECM/PCM or BCM controlled ?
Circuit Description (ECM/PCM Controlled)
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Free wiring diagrams here
http://www.bbbind.com/free_tsb.html Enter vehicle info. year , make , model and engine size . Under system click on engine ,then under subsystem click on starting . Click the search button ,then click the blue link .
If you look at the diagram you will see the ignition switch ,when in start it sends B+ voltage to the ECM/PCM or depending on which system or engine to the BCM . When it see's this input it will energize the starter relay located in the under hood fuse box. This happens if the control module in charge see's another input from the PNP- park neutral position sensor and if no anti-theft system problems .
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Could be a number of thing's , can you do automotive electrical testing ? Do you know if starting is PCM / ECM controlled or BCM controlled ? Do you know what these are ? BCM - body control module , PCM/ECM - engine computer !
Moving the ignition switch to the START position sends a 12-volt signal to the engine control module (ECM)/powertrain control module (PCM) Crank Request circuit. The ECM/PCM verifies that the transmission is in the PARK or NEUTRAL position. With the transmission in Park, voltage flows through the Park/Neutral position switch and feeds the starter relay coil. The PCM then grounds the control circuit of the starter relay. When the starter relay is energized it allows battery positive voltage to the starter solenoid S terminal. On some vehicles the starter will continue to crank the engine with the key released until it starts or the crank command has timed out to prevent excessive heat build up in the starter circuitry or the ECM/PCM receives an engine run flag.
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How to voltage drop test starter motor circuit This is how a normal starting system use to work ! Not now , computer's involved , communication networks etc.....
Here is how your's works

For ignition switch power modes refer to Body Control System Description and Operation . When the ignition switch is placed in the Start position a discrete signal is supplied to the body control module (BCM) notifying it that the ignition is in the Start position. The BCM then sends a message to the engine control module (ECM) notifying it that CRANK has been requested. At the same time the BCM is supplying 12 volts for the IGN 1 relay closing it and supplying battery positive voltage for the crank relay coil. The ECM verifies that the transmission is in Park or Neutral. If it is, the ECM grounds the control circuit of the crank relay. When this occurs battery positive voltage is supplied through the switch side of the crank relay to the S terminal of the starter solenoid.

Sorry but your best bet would be to take it to a qualified repair shop ! Or the Chevy dealer . Could have DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes stored in the BCM !

DTC P0615 Starter Relay Control Circuit

Circuit/System Verification
Ignition ON, verify that no starter relay, theft deterrent, or automatic transmission DTCs are set that would cause the ECM to disable starting.
? If DTCs are set, refer to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List - Vehicle .
Ignition ON, observe the scan tool BCM Starter Switch parameter. Place ignition switch in the crank position, the parameter should display ON.
? If not the specified value, refer to Power Mode Mismatch .
Transmission range selector in park , verify the scan tool ECM PNP Switch and TCM IMS parameters display Park/Neutral.
? If the TCM IMS parameter does not indicate Park/Neutral, refer to Transmission Internal Mode Switch Logic .
? If the ECM Park/Neutral parameter does not indicate Park/Neutral, refer to ECM Park Switch Circuit Malfunction.
Transmission range selector in park or neutral, attempt to start the vehicle. The starter relay should click and the engine should begin cranking.
? If the starter relay does not click or the engine does not crank, refer to Starter Relay Circuit Malfunction.

Power to many of this vehicle's circuits are controlled by the module that is designated the Power Mode Master (PMM). This vehicle's PMM is the Body Control Module (BCM). The PMM controls which power mode (Run, Accessory, Crank, Retained Accessory Power, or Off) is active.

Serial Data Power Mode
On vehicles that have several control modules connected by serial data circuits, one module is the power mode master (PMM). On this vehicle, the PMM is the body control module (BCM). The PMM receives 3 discrete ignition switch signals to differentiate which power mode will be sent over the Serial Data circuits. The table below illustrates the state of these inputs in correspondence to the ignition switch position:
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How do you replace the ignition switch on a 2002 buick century?

What do you mean no sound when turning key ? Does the car start an run ? Or the car doesn't crank ? Ignition switch's do not work the same way they did in the old days , especially on GM vehicles . The ignition switch is an input to the BCM - body control module , the BCM processes these inputs an then energizes relays to turn things on . Also sends messages to other modules for them to turn on or energize relays .
The power mode signal may be as simple as a B+ input wired to a particular ignition switch contact. If this is also the B+ supply to the module/device, the module/device will only operate with the ignition contact closed to B+. An example of this is the starter relay when it is wired directly to the CRANK/START contact of the ignition switch. When the CRANK/START contacts are closed, the starter relay is energized and provides a current source to the starter and starter solenoid. When the ignition switch leaves the CRANK/START position, the switch contacts open and the starter relay is de-energized. This removes the current source from the starter and solenoid and the starter operation stops.
Serial Data Power Mode
On vehicles that have several control modules connected by serial data circuits, one module is the power mode master (PMM). On this vehicle the PMM is the Body Control Module (BCM). The BCM receives 4 signals/circuits from the ignition switch. These are the Ignition 0, Ignition 1, Crank and Accessory 1 ignition switch signals/circuits.
To determine the correct power mode the BCM uses:
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The state of these signals/circuits, either switch closed (B+ = 1) or switch open (open = 0)


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The sequence of switch closures received by the BCM


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The status of the engine run flag.


Important: Any ignition switch states not covered in this table indicates a DTC setting situation.
The chart indicates the modes detected and transmitted by the BCM:
Power Mode Selected/Expected
Engine Run Flag Serial Data
Sampled Ignition Signal State
Power Mode State
Accessory
Ignition 0
Ignition 1
Crank
OFF-LOCK
0
0
0
0
0
OFF
Accessory
0
1
0
0
0
ACCESSORY
RAP
0
1 to 0
0
0
0
RAP
OFF-UNLOCK
0
0
1
0
0
UNLOCK
RAP
0
1 to 0
1
0
0
RAP-UNLOCK
Run
0
1
1
1
0
RUN
Crank
0
0
1
1
1
CRANK
Crank
1
0
1
1
1
CRANK
Run
1
1
1
1
0
RUN
Fail-safe Operation
Since the operation of the vehicle systems depends on the power mode, there is a fail-safe plan in place should the BCM fail to send a power mode message. The fail-safe plan covers modules with discrete ignition signal inputs as well as those modules using exclusively serial data control of power mode.
Serial Data Messages The modules that depend exclusively on serial data messages for power modes stay in the state dictated by the last valid BCM message until they can check for the engine run flag status on the serial data circuits. If the BCM fails, the modules monitor the serial data circuit for the engine run flag serial data. If the engine run flag serial data is True, indicating that the engine is running, the modules fail-safe to "RUN". In this state the modules and their subsystems can support all operator requirements. If the engine run flag serial data is False, indicating that the engine is not running, the modules fail-safe to "OFF-AWAKE". In this state the modules are constantly checking for a change status message on the serial data circuits and can respond to both local inputs and serial data inputs from other modules on the vehicle.
Discrete Ignition Signals Those modules that have discrete ignition signal inputs also remain in the state dictated by the last valid BCM message received on the serial data circuits. They then check the state of their discrete ignition input to determine the current valid state. If the discrete ignition input is active, B+, the modules will fail-safe to the "RUN" power mode. If the discrete ignition input is not active, open or 0 voltage, the modules will fail-safe to "OFF-AWAKE". In this state the modules are constantly checking for a change status message on the serial data circuits and can respond to both local inputs and serial data inputs from other modules on the vehicle.
You probably won't understand any of this info. your best but would be to take it to a qualified repair shop that has proper diagnostic test equipment !

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Ignition switch

engine will not crank.
if it dont crank it can not start. nor sustain and run.
the first steps are:
1; check all fuses.
2: jump cable start engine, s
starts now, then the battery is weak ,dead or JUST discharged.

the battery must read 12.6vdc rested or its weak.

if jumper fails to start car.
we then hot wire the starter solenoid.
no crank now, the starter is bad
yes, cranks now, the key line is dead
see the 83 tricks here, for making it start.
http://www.fixkick.com/nocrank.html#tricks

same for hot wire trick, (test)
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My 1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 5.2L is very difficult to start if it has not been run in the previous 6 hours. Replaced ignition coil but didn't solve the problem. After sitting overnight it

Low fuel pressure.
You need to check the fuel pressure on the first crank and watch it as it is running.
Requires a special gauge.
If it were just a starting problem I would say it could be a pump relay, but not if it runs rough for 5 min.
Might be a dirty filter or problem in the tank.
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