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97 2.4 what would cause the engine to surge it goes up and down when you stop you can run it hard it does good untill you let off the fuel or go to stop

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we have no KB here in USA not a one. no parts, no books on it. (heck no WIKI on KB. ouch)
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but idle surges (up/down RPM) means PCM can not control IDLE RPM at all, and has many causes.
you can drive it fast and even up hills or at WOT.?

but only stopping at say a stop sign the engine surges.
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(which engine. ?????)_
as always check all fuses. and scan the ECU for DTCs. first.
there is no need to fix OBD2 cars like 1980 cars (hard rows to hoe)
it can be 2 problems this......
lets fix the easy one first. idle. (and hope for moving issues to fix for free) it idle car is parked, so is 100% safe tests. (not moving)

so it surges at idle.
questions.?
1: hot or cold or both.?
2: low extreme RPM and high at idle.

400 to 800 RPM? surge.
1000 to 2000. what? numbers tell the tale.

first off, idle is the last thing to work right on any engine.

there are many ways to find what is wrong.
fix idle surge way.
i make sure that the engine holds closed LOOP status.
hot idle, if not , i fix that first.
keep in mind if not in closes loop and lean
all lean engine surge and guess what the ISC will add to the surge
because idle is way too slow, so the ECU open the ISC wider
and wider and its still too slow, so the ECU resets the ISC
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4: with MAF EFI, ( i find maf reading too low, (dirty) causing lean.
5: if MAP car, i find the MAP stuck hard high vacuum causing lean.
not knowing what engine you have or the idle hot surge range,
i can not go farther.

the driving bog tells me,
1: scan the ecu ,get DTCs; do that first.
2: clean MAF if car has one, ask how..
3: check fuel pressure.


my guess is engine is lean. and starving for fuel all the time.
cept WOT.

MAF cars starve for fuel if there are any vacuum leaks.
MAP cars do opposite, they race fast with 100% full power.
MAF is air density EFI
MAP is speed density EFI.
apples and oranges diffr. so what engine.


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