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Shirley Cotterman Posted on Apr 24, 2017
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Why does the check engine light comes on saying the gas cap is loose or off when it is on tight.

Back in April I had problems with the purge flow and thank to you had the correct part replaced. I didn't have anymore problems until two weeks ago. The light on the left side of the dash came on saying "check gas cap." I took it off and put it back on and it went off. The following week the same thing. I just went to town and on the way back the check engine light came on. The code was P0457 and said the gas cap is off or loose. I had replaced the gas cap in April. What would make this gas cap code start coming on? Thanks for your help. Shirley

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Disconnect battery for 15 min.if not could be a small leak.

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SOURCE: the check engine light comes on my 2006 Kia Rio once a week. COde is P0496. I had the solenoid and gas cap replaced ands they said they can't find anything wrong with it. Why does it keep comin

First of all, it does absolutely no good to clear codes without properly diagnosing the code and correcting the problem that caused the code to set in the first place. It will only result in the code returning again and again as you can now see.

You must also know how the system works and what failure is indicated by the code. Please note that fault codes NEVER tell you what parts to replace. Then you must know what conditions in the system cause the code to set in order to perform a valid diagnosis of the system.
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With all that said, let's take a look at the code itself:
Diagnostic Test Code (DTC) P0496 is defined by SAE J2011 as "Evaporative Emission System High Purge Flow".

Purge flow is determined by the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) by looking at the Fuel Tank Pressure (FTP) sensor. When there is little or no purge flow, the FTP sensor will read high pressure. If there is too much purge flow, the FTP will read low pressure.

The code is clearly stating that there is too much purge flow (or low pressure/high vacuum in the tank). The people that have been trying to diagnose this problem apparently do not understand this. Leaks in the system like leaking lines or defective fuel caps will cause the pressure to be too high when it is SUPPOSED to be low and will set a code P0455, P0456, or P0457. Smoke testing and fuel cap replacement is what you do for THESE codes, NOT code P0496.

In simple terms, what is happening here is that the PCM is telling the EVAP system to stop purging and it is continuing to purge anyway. This is usually caused by a stuck open Purge Control Solenoid Valve (PCSV). Now I do not know which solenoid they replaced, but I am willing to bet that they replaced the Canister Control Valve (CCV) also known as the "vent solenoid". Again, this might be a good strategy for the other codes listed above, but not the code we are working with.

The other thing that eats at my craw here is that they are randomly replacing parts, evidently without testing them first to see if they are defective and/or are the CAUSE of your problem. I do not call this diagnosis. I call this "parts-nosis". This is where a technician just starts replacing all the parts in the system untill he finally finds the one that takes care of the problem. And YOU have to pay for it! Not only are you paying for parts that do not fix the problem, but they also have the nerve to charge you for "diagnosis" time to find the problem. Then they wonder why people think that mechanics are nothing but a bunch of rip-offs!

So plain and simple, they are not finding anything wrong with your EVAP system because they are simply looking for the wrong problem. They are looking for a system leak when they should be looking at why the pressure is low or vacuum keeps increasing when the PCM is telling it to stop.

There is pretty much only three things that can cause this code:

> Stuck open PCSV (most likely)
> Defective fuel tank pressure sensor
> Defective or mis-calibrated PCM

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Why does the check engine light comes on saying the gas cap is loose or off when it is on tight.

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looks like there is a sensor on the filler cap/lid side.
which is faulty and not sending correct signal to the main computer in the car.
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I have 2000 Montana. Service Eng light on, a check says: P0440 -- evaporated emission cntrl system small leak/low flow condition. Explanation: defective or loose fuel cap, evvap canister or hose cracked-...

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Check engine light -code p0441

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Check engine light came on went to auto zone said it was gas cap. Bought new gas cap. reset engine light. two days later check engine light is back on. what next?

Hi, if the code was P0455, there are other possible reasons. The computer fuel tank pressure sensor has detected a leak which could also be in the vapor canister, or the hose from the canister to the purge valve, or the purge valve itself may be leaking. Please inspect the system for these leaks. I may be able to provide some pics of these parts if you tell me your model, year, and engine info.

Evaporative Emission Control System Leak Detected (no purge flow or large leak)
What does that mean? This indicates a fuel vapor leak or lack of purge flow in the EVAP control system. It means a large leak has been detected. The (EVAP) emission control system prevents the escape of fuel vapors from a vehicle's fuel system. Fuel vapors are routed by hoses to a charcoal canister for storage. Later, when the engine is running a purge control valve opens allowing intake vacuum to siphon the fuel vapors into the engine.
Symptoms You likely won't notice any drivability problems.
Causes A code p0455 most likely means one or more of the following has happened:

  • A loose or improperly affixed gas cap
  • A non-conforming gas cap (i.e. not factory/original brand)
  • Other leak or damaged piece in EVAP system
Possible Solutions With a p0455, the most common repair is to:
  • Remove and reinstall the gas cap, clear the codes, and drive for a day and see if the codes come back.
  • Otherwise, replace the gas cap, and/or
  • Inspect the EVAP system for cuts/holes in tubes/hoses (you may hear a vacuum noise or smell fuel), repair if necessary
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The metal flap should not trigger the sensor. Once you tighten the gas cap you should clear the code and see if it comes back. Otherwise it will take a while to go away.
If it does come back even though the gas cap is tight it could be the rubber seal around the gas cap replacing that can sometimes fix this issue also.
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Engine code po455

Check this info about P0455 - Evaporative Emission Control System Leak Detected (no purge flow or large leak)

This indicates a fuel vapor leak or lack of purge flow in the EVAP control system. It means a large leak has been detected. The (EVAP) emission control system prevents the escape of fuel vapors from a vehicle's fuel system. Fuel vapors are routed by hoses to a charcoal canister for storage. Later, when the engine is running a purge control valve opens allowing intake vacuum to siphon the fuel vapors into the engine.

Symptoms: You likely won't notice any drivability problems.

Causes: A code p0455 most likely means one or more of the following has happened:
A loose or improperly affixed gas cap
A non-conforming gas cap (i.e. not factory/original brand)
Other leak or damaged piece in EVAP system

Possible Solutions: With a p0455, the most common repair is to:
Remove and reinstall the gas cap, clear the codes, and drive for a day and see if the codes come back.
Otherwise, replace the gas cap, and/or
Inspect the EVAP system for cuts/holes in tubes/hoses (you may hear a vacuum noise or smell fuel), repair if necessary


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yes this is a warranty item as it relates to the emission purge system ( pressure test for gas tank ). but before you go make sure your gas cap is tight (3 clicks) sometimes after getting fuel a loose gas cap will trip the purge solenoid valve to think there is a leak.
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Engine light came on said purge flow senser or evap canister

Your evaporitive emission system has failed. The code indicates a fuel vapor leak in the purge system.
This can be caused by a loose gas cap to a damaged vacuum hose or regulating component.
Check the gas cap first, make certain the cap is tight and the seal on the cap is in good condition, no tears or damage. Check the fuel filler pipe for knicks and dents.
If the cap was loose, the light will not clear until the next cold start, that is when the engine computer runs the test.
Good luck, let me know.
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Check engine light is on

P0455 - Evaporative Emission Control System Leak Detected (no purge flow or large leak)

What does that mean? This indicates a fuel vapor leak or lack of purge flow in the EVAP control system. It means a large leak has been detected. The (EVAP) emission control system prevents the escape of fuel vapors from a vehicle's fuel system. Fuel vapors are routed by hoses to a charcoal canister for storage. Later, when the engine is running a purge control valve opens allowing intake vacuum to siphon the fuel vapors into the engine.
Symptoms You likely won't notice any drivability problems.
Causes A code p0455 most likely means one or more of the following has happened:
  • A loose or improperly affixed gas cap
  • A non-conforming gas cap (i.e. not factory/original brand)
  • Other leak or damaged piece in EVAP system
Possible Solutions With a p0455, the most common repair is to:
  • Remove and reinstall the gas cap, clear the codes, and drive for a day and see if the codes come back.
  • Otherwise, replace the gas cap, and/or
  • Inspect the EVAP system for cuts/holes in tubes/hoses (you may hear a vacuum noise or smell fuel), repair if necessary

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