Relay problems i need to locate the position of the starter & ignition relays so that I can change them

Probably should check to see if there is power going down threw the small wire on the starter solenoid when the key is turned to the start position, that be a good place to start. Double check the battery cables, make sure they are in good shape, clean and tight. If there is no power to the small wire on the starter solenoid, it may be the starter relay, or even an ignition switch.

Have you used a different relay ? Look on the bottom of the relay ,see pin 86 ? Test for B+ voltage where it plugs into the relay / fuse box while someone turns the key to start ! Is there B+ voltage . Before replacing the ignition switch and the neutral safty switch did you test for battery voltage coming from the ignition switch ? Pin 85 goes to ground , you can check this with a ohm meter . Do you know how to use a DVOM - digital volt ohm meter ? In the start position voltage from the ignition switch goes through 10 amp crank fuse . Fuse #8 located in the I/P fuse box .

Is the anti-theft light lit ? Is the starter relay good ? Do you know what a relay is ? Are the battery cables good ? I would start will the starter relay circuit's if the anti-theft light is not lit.! The starter relay along with the starter relay diode is located in the battery junction box in the engine compartment. The relay is K-22 . If you pull out the relay an look on the bottom of the relay you should see four sets of numbers 30,87 an 85 ,86 . If you take a jumper wire (12-14 gage ) an jump pins 30 an 87 if the battery cables & connections are good the starter will crank . Pin's 85 &86 are the control side of the relay . One of these comes from the ignition switch when is start position an the other goes through the transmission range sensor (park neutral switch) To ground or the PCM if yours has a V-8 . Now if when you jump pins 30 & 87 an nothing happens you have bad connections or the battery cable is bad . You can go on youtube an check out videos on voltage drop testing the starter circuit .

use ohm meter to check ground to pos cable to starter If 000 check for ground wire on starter it should go to starter bolt. voltage reg stuck open Unplug ignition module check battery if still sparking not module.

they had a problem with the ground for the starter relay. its located under the drivers kick panel. you have to locate the relay and follow the ground back. i had the same issue. also you need to do a voltage drop test on the positive cable and check the resistance on the engine ground located on the bell housing

The problem could be a shorted park netual safety switch . Do you know what a wiring diagram is ? It shows all the componets involved in a electrical circuit ! You IGN.1 fuse 40amp , GM calls it IGN A fuse 40 amp . It feeds the ignition switch and pin 30 at the starter enable relay .When you turn the key to the start position it sends B+ voltage to #8 crank fuse , located in the I/P fuse box ,from there it goes to the park netual safety switch , to pin 86 or 85 of the starter enable relay ! If you pull the relay out of the fuse box an look on the bottom you will see this four set's of numbers ,30,87 & 85 ,86 You can test at the fuse box where the relay plugs in . Here is a video on how to test . The guy presenting the video uses a horn circuit , but it works the same way . It happens a lot , the park netual safety switch shorting out . It may or may not be the problem . VEHICLE RELAYS Operation Diagnosis
Here is a web site for free wiring diagrams
http://www.bbbind.com/free_tsb.html Enter your vehicle info . then under system click on engine , then under subsystem click on starting . Then click on the search button an a link will pop up , click on it .You will see all the componets , connections , wiring colors etc... for the starter circuit for your vehicle .

Probably a faulty starter motor, try putting the positive jumper directly on the large terminal on the starter motor and hot wireing from the smaller starter terminal to the positive side of your battery. This completely bypasses the rest of the ignition system and , if the starter still dosn't work , the problem is definitely the starter.
Don't forget to disconnect the battery before removing the starter.
Once the starter is out, check the contacts in the solenoid, this is a common problem or the brushes in the actual motor.
Happy hunting Marshall

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1994 Toyota Pickup Car Security Wiring Diagram
Battery Constant 12v+ Positive Wire (+): White And White/Red
Battery Constant 12v+ Positive Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness
Starter Positive Wire (+): Black
Starter Positive Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness
Ignition Positive Wire (+): Black/Yellow
Ignition Positive Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness
Second Ignition Positive Wire (+): Black/Yellow Or Black/Red
Second Ignition Positive Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness
Accessory Positive Wire (+): Blue/Red
Accessory Positive Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness
Parking Light Negative Wire (-): Red/Black
Parking Light Negative Wire Location: At Steering Column Harness
Parking Light Positive Wire (+): Green
Parking Light Positive Wire Location: In Drivers Kick Panel
Power Door Lock Negative Wire (-): Blue/White
Power Door Lock Negative Wire Location: At Door Control Relay. The door control relay, is located behind the driver dash speaker.
Power Door Unlock Negative Wire (-): Blue/Yellow
Power Door Unlock Negative Wire Location: At Door Control Relay. The door control relay, is located behind the driver dash speaker.
Door Trigger Negative Wire (-): Black/White Or Black
Door Trigger Negative Wire Location: At 2-Pin Plug, Top Of Fusebox
Domelight Supervision Wire: Use Door Trigger, Requires Relay
Domelight Supervision Wire Location: N/A
Horn Negative Wire (-): Green/Red
Horn Negative Wire Location: At Steering Column Harness
Tachometer Wire Negative Wire (-): Black
Tachometer Wire Negative Wire Location: At Diagnostic Connector. The diagnostic connector, is located on the passenger inner fender near the fuse/relay box.
Brake Light Positive Wire (+): Green/White
Brake Light Positive Wire Location: At Switch Above Brake Pedal
Factory Alarm Disarm Wire (-): N/A
Factory Alarm Disarm Wire Location: N/A
Factory Anti-Theft System: N/A
Factory Anti-Theft System Location: N/A

i cannot remember but i think there is a starter relay, its located in the engine bay the wire color is the same as its is on the starter motor, and feeds back to the relay, in the relay box in engine bay if this model dont have the relay as some models did not have it fitted and it was a straight from the ignition it can cross over on the ignition switch, and that would need to be replaced, or changed to button press, were by cutting the wire on the starter wire on the ignition and feeding it to a switch button.

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1991 Chrysler New Yorker Auto Security Wiring Diagram
Battery Constant 12v+ Positive Wire (+): Red and Pink
Battery Constant 12v+ Positive Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness
Starter Positive Wire (+): Yellow
Starter Positive Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness
Ignition Positive Wire (+): Dark Blue
Ignition Positive Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness
Accessory Positive Wire (+): Black/Orange
Accessory Positive Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness
Parking Light Positive Wire (+): Black/Yellow
Parking Light Positive Wire Location: In Drivers Kick Panel
Power Door Lock Positive Wire (+): Orange/White Or Orange/Violet
Power Door Lock Positive Wire Location: In Drivers Kick Panel
Power Door Unlock Positive Wire (+): Pink/Violet
Power Door Unlock Positive Wire Location: In Drivers Kick Panel
Door Trigger Negative Wire (-): Yellow
Door Trigger Negative Wire Location: In Drivers Kick Panel
Dome light Supervision Wire: Use Door Trigger (Requires Relay)
Dome light Supervision Wire Location: N/A
Trunk Release Positive Wire (+): Black/White (Requires Relay)
Trunk Release Positive Wire Location: At Trunk Release Switch
Horn Negative Wire (-): Black/Red
Horn Negative Wire Location: At Relay In Fuse box
Tachometer Wire Negative Wire (-): Black/Gray
Tachometer Wire Negative Wire Location: At Ignition Coil
Brake Light Positive Wire (+): White
Brake Light Positive Wire Location: At Switch above Brake Pedal
Factory Alarm Disarm Wire (-): Light Green/Orange
Factory Alarm Disarm Wire Location: In Drivers Kick Panel
Factory Anti-Theft System: N/A
Factory Anti-Theft System Location: N/A

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