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Anonymous Posted on Sep 14, 2011

During Scan came up with code P0441. It says that a there is a EVAP leak but they want me to replace the ECM. Can I buy a second hand ECM and install it in the vehicle or do I need to check the EVAP system?

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Who is telling you the ecm is bad? check the PURGE VALVE for not holding a vaccum (therefore the ecm "thinks" there is a leak) whoever is telling you this, go somewhere else. ECM's are covered for 8 years, 100K miles (I think)

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CODE PO441 DODGE INTRAPID 2002 EREPAIR

Here is the definition of the code.
Possible causes are a defective gas cap or a leak in the vent system.

P0441 DODGE Description The vapor pressure sensor, Voltage Solenoide Valve (VSV) for EVAP, Voltage Solenoide Valve (VSV) for canister closed valve (CCV) and Valve Solenoide Valve (VSV) for pressure switching valve are used to detect abnormalities in the evaporative emission control system. The ECM decides whether there is an abnormality in the evaporative emission control system based on the vapor pressure sensor signal. Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) P0441 is recorded by the ECM when there is a malfunction in either the VSV for EVAP, the VSV for pressure switching valve, or in the vapor pressure sensor itself, or when evaporative emissions leak from the components within the dotted line in Fig. 1 below.

The ECM closes the CCV and opens the VSV for pressure switching valve causing vacuum to increase in the entire EVAP system. The ECM continues to operate the VSV for EVAP until the vacuum is increased to a specified point at which time the ECM closes the VSV for EVAP. If the vacuum did not increase, or if the vacuum increased beyond the specified limit, the ECM judges the VSV for EVAP and related components to be faulty.
Read more: http://engine-codes.com/p0441_dodge.html#ixzz242qD9pXO
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DTC P0441 - Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Control System Incorrect Purge Flow
EVAP emission canister purge is contolled by a valve which allows engine vacuum to pull stored fuel vapors from fuel tank into the engine to be burned, rather than be vented to atmosphere. A vacuum switch is used to detect when flow exists. If the PCM commands purge and sees that the switch is closed (indicating no detected purge flow) P0441 is set.
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  • Repair damaged EVAP lines or canister
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  • Repair open in PCM purge command circuit
  • Replace purge Solenoid
  • Replace vacuum switch
  • Repair restriction in Evap line or canister or soleniod
  • Repair resistance in purge connector
  • Replace PCM


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ost generally caused by a purge valve stuck open. the only way to diag for sure is with a gm tech 2 scan tool and a smoke machine. but if dont mind spending a few bucks as a good quess. Replace the purge valve.


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Code says evaporator purge solenoid

Which code specifically? Do not assume you need a new solenoid. Our recommendation will depend on the specific code and some troubleshooting results. I usually recommend checking over all the EVAP vacuum lines and the gas cap too whenever there is a purge valve code. Check the vacuum lines at the cannister in the left rear bumper. I will paste info on the purge solenoid below.

P0440 Evaporative emission (EVAP) system - malfunction

Possible causes: Hose connection(s), intake leak, EVAP canister purge valve


P0441 Evaporative emission (EVAP) system - incorrect flow detected

Possible causes: Hose connection(s), intake leak, EVAP canister purge valve


P0442 Evaporative emission (EVAP) system - small leak detected

Possible causes: Hose connection(s), intake leak, EVAP canister, EVAP canister purge valve


P0443 Evaporative emission (EVAP) canister purge valve - circuit malfunction

Possible causes: Wiring, EVAP canister purge valve, ECM


P0444 Evaporative emission (EVAP) canister purge valve -open circuit

Possible causes: Wiring open circuit, EVAP canister purge valve, ECM


P0445 Evaporative emission (EVAP) canister purge valve -short circuit

Possible causes: Wiring short circuit, EVAP canister purge valve, ECM


P0450 Evaporative emission (EVAP) pressure sensor - circuit malfunction

Possible causes: Wiring, EVAP pressure sensor, ECM


P0455 Evaporative emission (EVAP) system - large leak detected

Possible causes: Hose connection(s), intake leak, EVAP canister, EVAP canister purge valve


P0456 Evaporative emission system - very small leak detected

Possible causes: Mechanical fault, hose connection(s), EVAP pressure "sensor


P0457 Evaporative emission system - leak detected (fuel cap loose/off)

Possible causes: Mechanical fault, hose connection(s), EVAP pressure sensor


P0458 Evaporative emission system, purge control valve -circuit low

Possible causes: Wiring short to earth, EVAP valve


P0459 Evaporative emission system, purge control valve -circuit high
Possible causes: Wiring short to positive, EVAP valve


Evaporative Emission Purge Solenoid

Description & Operation
The duty cycle EVAP canister purge solenoid (DCP) regulates the rate of vapor flow from the EVAP canister to the intake manifold. The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) operates the solenoid.
During the cold start warm-up period and the hot start time delay, the PCM does not energize the solenoid. When de-energized, no vapors are purged. The PCM de-energizes the solenoid during open loop operation.
The engine enters closed loop operation after it reaches a specified temperature and the time delay ends. During closed loop operation, the PCM cycles (energizes and de-energizes) the solenoid 5 or 10 times per second, depending upon operating conditions. The PCM varies the vapor flow rate by changing solenoid pulse width. Pulse width is the amount of time that the solenoid is energized. The PCM adjusts solenoid pulse width based on engine operating condition.
Removal & Installation
The duty cycle evaporative (EVAP) canister purge solenoid is located in the engine compartment near the brake master cylinder.

  1. Disconnect electrical connector at solenoid.
  2. Disconnect vacuum lines at solenoid.
  3. Lift solenoid slot from mounting bracket for Removal & Installation.

To Install:
  1. Position solenoid slot to mounting bracket.
  2. Connect vacuum lines to solenoid. Be sure vacuum lines are firmly connected and not leaking or damaged. If leaking, a Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) may be set with certain emission packages.
  3. Connect electrical connector to solenoid.
Purge solenoid location:

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EVAP cannister location:
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Trouble Code: P0441 (2.0L L4 VIN C Auto)
EVAP Purge Flow Monitor Fault Print this code dataprint_icon_codes.gif Number of Trips to Set Code: 2
OBD II Monitor Type: CCM Details
Indicators: MIL Details
Trouble Code Conditions:
Engine at idle speed in closed loop for 200 seconds, BARO Sensor signal less than 8,000 feet, ECT Sensor more than 160ºF, no Low Fuel, MAP Sensor signal less than 23.7" Hg, and the PCM did not detect any purge flow through the EVAP system during this test.

Possible Causes:
  • EVAP purge solenoid vacuum line loose, leaking or restricted
  • EVAP purge solenoid stuck leaking, stuck open or stuck closed
  • EVAP purge vacuum line to canister leaking or disconnected
  • EVAP canister leaking, damaged or has failed

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