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Anonymous Posted on Sep 05, 2011

Anti theft lite on 08 f450 truck will not turn over, took it to ford they kept two days said no communication with their computer, andy ideas??

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  • Anonymous Sep 05, 2011

    removed fuse 36 5 amp left out for 5 minutes no change

  • Anonymous Sep 05, 2011

    fuse ok power on fuse removed and inspected and left out for 5 minutes no change. no communication with ids security light on flashing fast truck will not do anything (spin over or fuel pump)

  • Anonymous Sep 05, 2011

    cannot reflash or check, no communication with ids when computer is plugged in

  • Anonymous Sep 05, 2011

    computer is not the issue replaced still no data out of data link and theft still flashing have donor truck removed parts off of it. any other suggestions

  • Anonymous Sep 05, 2011

    this truck does not have a theft ring around the cylinder where you put the key in any suggestion as to where it is

  • Anonymous Sep 05, 2011

    there are no wires going to the lock cylinder only manual cable coming out of switch

  • Anonymous Sep 05, 2011

    does not have ring around key on 450 has a blak box mounted to the top of the switch with three wires going to it. Is nothing like to picture you sent me

  • Anonymous Sep 06, 2011

    followed steps as you directed, truck will not turn over or start and theft light is still flashing rapidly on dash. did find on all data that the anti theft is flashing a code 1:6 which is no communication. computer will still not communicate with pcm through obdII

  • Anonymous Sep 06, 2011

    ford kept it for several days, they cannot establish a data link that is why i am working on it there can be no data link established between laptop and pcm (ids and pcm) I have the ford software and laptop, but cannot establish a signal to troubleshoot

  • Anonymous Sep 06, 2011

    Check fuse number 36 .Its 5 amp fuse.Its located in passenger compartment fuse box.Remove this fuse completely out and inspect, if this fuse is blown, replace it.If its not blown, then let the fuse remain out for 5 minutes, then reinsert the fuse back in its slot.Then check.--------- Thanks.Helpmech.
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    helpmech
    23 hours ago
    If fuse 36 is checked ok and removing it and reinserting it is not resetting the anti-theft system, Then problem is with ignition key.Or problem with ignition cylinder or the computer.-------- The theft sensor is in the ignition lock cylinder, There is a chip in ignition key, which this lock cylinder sensor detects.If the key chip is faulty or key lock cylinder sensor itself is faulty, then also anti-theft light will not come ON.But if this both are checked ok, then yes its computer related problem.Many a times getting the computer reprogrammed by dealer helps.But in some cases, either theft module or computer needs to be replaced.------------ Thanks.Helpmech. Reply

    helpmech
    10 hours ago
    Then the ignition key and ignition lock cylinder theft sensor.---------- Both needs to be checked.-------- Any of the one is not functioning right, causing no theft light. Also check the voltage at fuse number 36 slot. Where the fuse number 36 is inserted, check there, do you get 12 volts with ignition ON.------------ This will help.Thanks.Helpmech. Reply

    helpmech
    9 hours ago
    There must be the key transponder, where the key cylinder goes is there a black ring around the steering coloum with a connector mounted under it.Either that is the problem, or the problem is with theft controlling IC.-----
    ------------- For the exact location and more details, click the link below:--------http://howtobyme.blogspot.com/2011/09/th... ----------- This will help.Thanks.Helpmech. Reply

    helpmech
    4 hours ago
    Ok, try this procedure.Disconnect car battery terminal, then insert the key in ignition, then turn key to ON position.Then reconnect the car battery and see if car starts and runs, by this procedure.------- Also Replace the key fob battery and see if the car starts after key fob battery is replaced.------ Keep updated.Thanks.Helpmech. Reply

    helpmech
    32 minutes ago
    The anti-theft code is 1:6 which is Faulty link between PATS module and EECV Go to main dealer. --------- 1:6 Faulty link between PATS module and EECV Go to main dealer If the LED illuminates for 4 seconds but the engine does not crank, PATS is working correctly and there is a fault elsewhere. Try starter solenoid or battery. If okay go to main dealer. If the LED illuminates for 4 seconds and the engine cranks but does not start, PATS is working correctly and the fault lies elsewhere. Check the Fuel Cut-Off switch. If okay go to main dealer. If none of the above checks resolves the problem then the system will need to be connected to WDS at a main dealer for a diagnostic check. If the engine starts normally but the LED stays on, wait for one minute. The LED may then flash a code 2:1. This is showing a 'fault' that there are less than 3 keys programmed into PATS. One of more keys need to be programmed to stop this code. Any other code needs referring to the Ford main dealer.------------- OBD II tool will not work.This can be scanned by scan tool at dealer.Its not possible to troubleshoot without an NGS tester or WDS scan tool.That will only tell what is faulty, and as per that troubleshooting will be done.--------- ----------- this will help.Thanks.Helpmech. Reply

  • Anonymous Aug 12, 2012

    is there any way that i can bypass the thetf??

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I have a 2008 ford f550 super duty with the anti theft light blinking it blinks fast for about 2 mins then slows and blinks once then six time at about once a sec. Any help plz

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If you use a bump button to start the truck with the key in the on position you can use a code reader and delete the codes then it should start if this is the problem it has probably got to do with your dpf

  • Anonymous Oct 03, 2012

    i just had customer with the dpf problem ford told them they could not fix i fixed it in about 2 mins

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Is there any way that i can bypass the theft???

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You somehow activated the antithft system. Did someone reach in and open a door from the inside with it locked? Can you recall how it activated? It should be flashing fast now.

There are alarm deactivation switches on the driver door lock and other outside door locks. You should have been able to unluck any door with a key fob or a key, and deactivated the alarm. Maybe you have a door deactivaion switch that is bad.

Start there.

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  • gerry bissi Sep 06, 2011

    PS, this hsould be covered by warranty if within warranty and a defective switch

  • gerry bissi Sep 06, 2011

    The battery musrt be fully charged.

    Here is some info:








    SECTION 419-01: Anti-Theft - Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS)

    2008 F-Super Duty 250-550 Workshop Manual


    DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION
    Procedure revision date: 01/02/2007



    Anti-Theft Printable View (83 KB)

    NOTE: If a new instrument cluster (IC) or the PCM (or both) is installed, the parameters MUST be reset in both modules or the vehicle will experience a passive anti-theft system (PATS) no-start. This will occur even if the vehicle is not equipped with PATS. Refer to Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS) Parameter Reset in this section.

    The PATS is available on this vehicle as an option. The vehicle must be ordered with or without PATS as per the customer. It is not a dealer-installed option.

    PATS consists of the following components:


        Anti-theft indicator (located in the IC)
          Encoded (the key contains a transponder) ignition key
            PATS transceiver
              IC
                PCM

    PATS uses radio frequency identification technology to deter a drive-away theft. Passive means that it does not require any activity by the user.

    The vehicle is equipped with 2 PATS keys. A maximum of 8 PATS keys can be programmed to start the vehicle. If additional PATS keys (more than 2) are desired, refer to Key Programming Using Two Programmed Keys. If additional PATS keys (more than 8) are desired, refer to Spare Key Programming - Unlimited Key Mode in this section.

    PATS Function

    NOTE: If the IC or the PCM (or both) is being replaced, the parameters must be reset in both modules or the vehicle will experience a PATS no-start. This will occur even if the vehicle is not equipped with PATS. PATS vehicles and non-PATS vehicles have parameters in the IC and the PCM and they must be reset whenever either (or both) module(s) is (are) replaced. Refer to Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS) Parameter Reset in this section.

    The PATS function is controlled by the IC. The PATS uses the IC to carry out all of the PATS functions such as receiving the identification code from the PATS key, issuing a signal to the PCM to control the starter and fuel injectors enable, and initiates the key interrogation sequence when the ignition key is turned to the ON or START position. Because of the interaction between the IC and the PCM, there are parameters that must be reset if the IC or the PCM (or both) is replaced. Refer to Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS) Parameter Reset in this section. If the IC must be replaced for any reason (PATS concerns or IC concerns), the PATS keys also must be programmed into the new IC. Refer to Key Programming Using Diagnostic Equipment in this section. All elements of PATS must be functional before the vehicle will start. If any of the components are not working correctly, the vehicle will not start.

    PATS is active only for a few seconds when the vehicle is starting. It is not a PATS concern if the vehicle stalls after it has been running for a minimum of 3 seconds. PATS will not disable a running vehicle.

    PATS may cause a vehicle no start due to either the fuel injectors not operating or the starter not operating (starter relay does not close) or both. Always check for PATS DTCs from the IC and the PCM when a no-crank or no-start condition exists. A low state of charge (SOC) in the vehicle battery may cause the PATS to allow starter operation, but prevent the fuel injectors from operating. If the theft light does not prove out (it may be either flashing or glowing steadily) and one (or both) of the previous conditions (fuel injectors and/or starter inoperative) are present, it may be due to a PATS issue. If the theft light proves out, it may not be a PATS issue. If the theft light does not illuminate at all, it may be an IC issue. Refer to the Symptom Chart in this section.

    PATS is not compatible with aftermarket remote start systems, which allow the vehicle to be started from the exterior of the vehicle. These systems may reduce the security of the vehicle, and also may be the cause of no-start concerns. Remote start systems must be removed from the vehicle before any PATS-related no-start concerns are investigated.

    Unlimited Key Mode

    PATS contains a feature called unlimited key mode. This feature allows a customer to program more than 8 vehicle keys, if requested. Each vehicle in unlimited key mode is set up with a special unlimited transponder security key code. This allows all the customer vehicles to share the same mechanically cut keys. For an individual customer, any randomly selected security key is acceptable. Refer to Spare Key Programming - Unlimited Key Mode in this section.



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    Visual Inspection Chart




    Mechanical

    Electrical




        Large metallic objects, a second passive anti-theft system (PATS) key on the same key ring as the PATS key, or electronic devices on the key ring that can be used to purchase gasoline or similar items
          Ignition lock cylinder
            PATS key
              Use of a non-PATS key or incorrect PATS key
                More than one PATS key on key ring
                  Remote start system installed



        Smart junction box (SJB) fuse 36 (5A)
          Wiring, terminals or connectors
            PATS transceiver
              Ignition switch
                Instrument cluster (IC)



        If an obvious cause for an observed or reported concern is found, correct the cause (if possible) before proceeding to the next step.



        NOTE: Make sure to use the latest scan tool software release.
        If the cause is not visually evident, connect the scan tool to the data link connector (DLC).



        NOTE: The vehicle communication module (VCM) LED prove-out confirms power and ground from the DLC are provided to the VCM.
        If the scan tool does not communicate with the VCM:

            Check the VCM connection to the vehicle.


            Check the scan tool connection to the VCM.


            Refer to Section 418-00, No Power To The Scan Tool, to diagnose no communication with the scan tool.


        If the scan tool does not communicate with the vehicle:

            Verify the ignition key is in the ON position.


            Verify the scan tool operation with a known good vehicle.



        Carry out the network test.

            If the scan tool responds with no communication for one or more modules, refer to Section 418-00.


            If the network test passes, retrieve and record the continuous memory DTCs.


        Clear the continuous DTCs and carry out the self-test diagnostics for the IC.


        If the DTCs retrieved are related to the concern, go to DTC Charts. For all other DTCs, refer to Section 419-10.


        If no DTCs related to the concern are retrieved, GO to Symptom Chart.


    DTC Charts

    Instrument Cluster (IC) DTC Chart

    Visual Inspection Chart
    Mechanical Electrical

        Large metallic objects, a second passive anti-theft system (PATS) key on the same key ring as the PATS key, or electronic devices on the key ring that can be used to purchase gasoline or similar items
          Ignition lock cylinder
            PATS key
              Use of a non-PATS key or incorrect PATS key
                More than one PATS key on key ring
                  Remote start system installed
        Smart junction box (SJB) fuse 36 (5A)
          Wiring, terminals or connectors
            PATS transceiver
              Ignition switch
                Instrument cluster (IC)

        If an obvious cause for an observed or reported concern is found, correct the cause (if possible) before proceeding to the next step.
        NOTE: Make sure to use the latest scan tool software release.
        If the cause is not visually evident, connect the scan tool to the data link connector (DLC).
        NOTE: The vehicle communication module (VCM) LED prove-out confirms power and ground from the DLC are provided to the VCM.
        If the scan tool does not communicate with the VCM:
            Check the VCM connection to the vehicle.
            Check the scan tool connection to the VCM.
            Refer to Section 418-00, No Power To The Scan Tool, to diagnose no communication with the scan tool.
        If the scan tool does not communicate with the vehicle:
            Verify the ignition key is in the ON position.
            Verify the scan tool operation with a known good vehicle.
        Carry out the network test.
            If the scan tool responds with no communication for one or more modules, refer to Section 418-00.
            If the network test passes, retrieve and record the continuous memory DTCs.
        Clear the continuous DTCs and carry out the self-test diagnostics for the IC.
        If the DTCs retrieved are related to the concern, go to DTC Charts. For all other DTCs, refer to Section 419-10.
        If no DTCs related to the concern are retrieved, GO to Symptom Chart.
    DTC Charts

    Instrument Cluster (IC) DTC Chart

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    DTC Charts

    Instrument Cluster (IC) DTC Chart




    DTC

    Description

    Action


    B1015
    CEI Unconfigured
    The instrument cluster (IC) (configurable engine immobilizer [CEI]) was not locked after being configured for PATS at the assembly plant or the Cluster Service Center. After the mileage limit was reached, it self-locked. This DTC may not be able to be erased. INSTALL a new IC. REFER to Section 413-01. PROGRAM the PATS keys into the new IC. REFER to Key Programming Using Diagnostic Equipment in this section. RESET the parameters in the IC and the PCM. REFER to Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS) Parameter Reset in this section. CYCLE the ignition. REPEAT the self-test.

    B1213
    Anti-Theft Number of Programmed Keys is Below Minimum
    If DTCs B1600, B1601, B1602, B1681 or B2103 are present, they must be addressed first. If DTC B1213 is the only DTC present, PROGRAM additional keys. REFER to Key Programming Using Diagnostic Equipment in this section. CLEAR the DTCs. CYCLE the ignition. REPEAT the self-test.

    B1342
    ECU is Faulted
    CLEAR the DTCs. CYCLE the ignition. REPEAT the self-test. If DTC B1342 is retrieved again, INSTALL a new IC. REFER to Section 413-01. CYCLE the ignition. REPEAT the self-test.

    B1600
    PATS Ignition Key Transponder Signal is Not Received
    No PATS key has been read by the IC. GO to Pinpoint Test B.

    B1601
    PATS Received Incorrect Key-Code From Ignition Key Transponder
    There is an unprogrammed PATS key. GO to Pinpoint Test C.

    B1602
    PATS Received Invalid Format of Key-Code From Ignition Key Transponder
    Only a partial PATS key was read. GO to Pinpoint Test D.

    B1681
    PATS Transceiver Module Signal is Not Received
    The IC did not receive the PATS transceiver signal. GO to Pinpoint Test E.

    B2103
    Antenna Not Connected
    There has been a PATS transceiver antenna failure. GO to Pinpoint Test A.

    B2141
    NVM Configuration Failure
    There is no PCM ID stored in the IC. CARRY OUT a parameter reset of the IC and CYCLE the ignition 3-5 times, making an attempt to start the vehicle each key cycle.

    B2431
    Transponder Programming Failed
    The ignition key was not programmed. PROGRAM the key. REFER to Key Programming Using Diagnostic Equipment in this section. CLEAR the DTCs. CYCLE the ignition. REPEAT the self-test.

    U0100
    Lost Communication With ECM/PCM

    NOTE: If DTCs U0100 and U2510 are both present, address DTC U2510 first.
    GO to Pinpoint Test G.

    U2510
    CAN - Invalid Data for Vehicle Security
    CARRY OUT a parameter reset of the IC and the PCM and CYCLE the ignition 3-5 times, making an attempt to start the vehicle each key cycle. REFER to Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS) Parameter Reset in this section. CLEAR the DTCs. REPEAT the self-test.

    U2511
    CAN - Data Mis-Match (Receive Data Does Not Match Expected)

    NOTE: If DTCs U2510 and U2511 are both present, address DTC U2510 first.
    GO to Pinpoint Test G.

    All other DTCs
    -
    REFER to Section 419-10.

    Instrument Cluster (IC) DTC Chart
    DTC Description Action B1015 CEI Unconfigured The instrument cluster (IC) (configurable engine immobilizer [CEI]) was not locked after being configured for PATS at the assembly plant or the Cluster Service Center. After the mileage limit was reached, it self-locked. This DTC may not be able to be erased. INSTALL a new IC. REFER to Section 413-01. PROGRAM the PATS keys into the new IC. REFER to Key Programming Using Diagnostic Equipment in this section. RESET the parameters in the IC and the PCM. REFER to Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS) Parameter Reset in this section. CYCLE the ignition. REPEAT the self-test. B1213 Anti-Theft Number of Programmed Keys is Below Minimum If DTCs B1600, B1601, B1602, B1681 or B2103 are present, they must be addressed first. If DTC B1213 is the only DTC present, PROGRAM additional keys. REFER to Key Programming Using Diagnostic Equipment in this section. CLEAR the DTCs. CYCLE the ignition. REPEAT the self-test. B1342 ECU is Faulted CLEAR the DTCs. CYCLE the ignition. REPEAT the self-test. If DTC B1342 is retrieved again, INSTALL a new IC. REFER to Section 413-01. CYCLE the ignition. REPEAT the self-test. B1600 PATS Ignition Key Transponder Signal is Not Received No PATS key has been read by the IC. GO to Pinpoint Test B. B1601 PATS Received Incorrect Key-Code From Ignition Key Transponder There is an unprogrammed PATS key. GO to Pinpoint Test C. B1602 PATS Received Invalid Format of Key-Code From Ignition Key Transponder Only a partial PATS key was read. GO to Pinpoint Test D. B1681 PATS Transceiver Module Signal is Not Received The IC did not receive the PATS transceiver signal. GO to Pinpoint Test E. B2103 Antenna Not Connected There has been a PATS transceiver antenna failure. GO to Pinpoint Test A. B2141 NVM Configuration Failure There is no PCM ID stored in the IC. CARRY OUT a parameter reset of the IC and CYCLE the ignition 3-5 times, making an attempt to start the vehicle each key cycle. B2431 Transponder Programming Failed The ignition key was not programmed. PROGRAM the key. REFER to Key Programming Using Diagnostic Equipment in this section. CLEAR the DTCs. CYCLE the ignition. REPEAT the self-test. U0100 Lost Communication With ECM/PCM NOTE: If DTCs U0100 and U2510 are both present, address DTC U2510 first.
    GO to Pinpoint Test G. U2510 CAN - Invalid Data for Vehicle Security CARRY OUT a parameter reset of the IC and the PCM and CYCLE the ignition 3-5 times, making an attempt to start the vehicle each key cycle. REFER to Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS) Parameter Reset in this section. CLEAR the DTCs. REPEAT the self-test. U2511 CAN - Data Mis-Match (Receive Data Does Not Match Expected) NOTE: If DTCs U2510 and U2511 are both present, address DTC U2510 first.
    GO to Pinpoint Test G. All other DTCs - REFER to Section 419-10.

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    PCM DTC Chart



    DTC

    Description

    Action


    P1260
    Theft Detected, Vehicle Immobilized

    NOTE: This DTC usually accompanies Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS) DTCs in the Instrument Cluster (IC). If the vehicle is not equipped with PATS, this PCM DTC can indicate the parameters in the IC and the PCM need to be reset or a power or ground issue with the PCM. This PCM DTC can set in vehicles with or without PATS. Clear the DTCs. Repeat the self-test.
    If there are any PATS DTCs present in the IC, ADDRESS them first. This DTC can also indicate a Controller Area Network (CAN) or a parameter reset concern. Make sure to verify if there are any communication concerns/DTCs with any modules. REFER to Section 418-00. If DTC P1260 is the only DTC present, there may be a parameter reset concern or a power or ground concern with the PCM. Even if the vehicle does not have PATS, it still has parameters that may need to be reset. REFER to Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS) Parameter Reset in this section. If necessary, CHECK the powers and grounds to the PCM. REFER to the Wiring Diagrams Manual.

    All other DTCs
    -
    REFER to the Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual.


    Symptom Chart


    Symptom Chart





    Condition

    Possible Sources

    Action






        No communication with the instrument cluster (IC)



        Fuse(s)
          Wiring, terminals or connectors
            IC








        The anti-theft indicator is always/never on



        Anti-theft indicator
          IC








        The vehicle does not start



        Starting system concern
          Passive anti-theft system (PATS) concern




    Pinpoint Tests


    Pinpoint Test A: DTC B2103 - Antenna Not Connected

    Normal Operation
    The passive anti-theft system (PATS) transceiver communicates with the PATS key. During each vehicle start sequence, the PATS transceiver reads the PATS key identification code and sends the data to the instrument cluster (IC). The control functions are contained in the IC. The IC carries out all of the PATS functions such as receiving the identification code from the PATS key and commands the PCM to enable the engine. The IC initiates the key interrogation sequence when the key is turned to the ON or START position.


        DTC B2103 (Antenna Not Connected) - sets when there has been a PATS transceiver antenna failure. The PATS transceiver may need to be replaced.

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    Pinpoint Test B: DTC B1600 - PATS Ignition Key Transponder Signal Is Not Received

    Normal Operation
    The PATS transceiver communicates with the PATS key. During each vehicle start sequence, the PATS transceiver reads the PATS key identification code and sends the data to the instrument cluster (IC). The control functions are contained in the IC. The IC carries out all of the PATS functions such as receiving the identification code from the PATS key and commands the PCM to enable the engine. The IC initiates the key interrogation sequence when the key is turned to the ON or START position.


        DTC B1600 (PATS Ignition Key Transponder Signal Is Not Received) - sets when no PATS key has been read by the IC.

      This pinpoint test is intended to diagnose the following:
        PATS transceiver
          PATS ignition key
            IC



    PINPOINT TEST B: DTC B1600 - PATS IGNITION KEY TRANSPONDER SIGNAL IS NOT RECEIVED
    NOTE: Large metallic objects, electronic devices on the key ring that can be used to purchase gasoline or similar items, or a second key on the same key ring as the PATS ignition key may cause vehicle starting issues and record DTCs under certain conditions. If a fault cannot be identified, examine the customer's key ring for such objects or devices. If present, inform the customer that they need to keep these objects from touching the PATS ignition key while starting the engine. These objects and devices cannot damage the PATS ignition key, but can cause a momentary concern if they are too close to the key during engine start. If a concern occurs, turn the ignition OFF and restart the engine with all other objects on the key ring held away from the ignition key. Check to make sure the PATS ignition key used by the customer is a Ford approved PATS key. (PATS keys from Ford, Rotunda, Strattec, HUF are approved Ford PATS keys)

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    Pinpoint Test C: DTC B1601 - PATS Received Incorrect Key-Code From Ignition Key Transponder

    Normal Operation
    The PATS transceiver communicates with the PATS key. During each vehicle start sequence, the PATS transceiver reads the PATS key identification code and sends the data to the instrument cluster (IC). The IC will then send a message to the PCM. The PCM will carry out the function of controlling engine enable. The IC initiates the key interrogation sequence when the key is turned to the ON or START position.


        DTC B1601 (PATS Received Incorrect Key-Code From Ignition Key Transponder) - sets when there is an unprogrammed PATS key. The concern may not be with the PATS key itself, but possibly the key may need to be programmed into the PATS memory (unless the maximum number of keys are already programmed).

      This pinpoint test is intended to diagnose the following:
        PATS key
          PATS transceiver
            IC



    PINPOINT TEST C: DTC B1601 - PATS RECEIVED INCORRECT KEY-CODE FROM IGNITION KEY TRANSPONDER
    NOTE: Large metallic objects, electronic devices on the key ring that can be used to purchase gasoline or similar items, or a second key on the same key ring as the PATS key may cause vehicle starting concerns and record DTCs under certain conditions. If a fault cannot be identified, examine the customer key ring for such objects or devices. If present, inform the customer that they need to keep these objects from touching the PATS key while starting the engine. These objects and devices cannot damage the PATS key, but can cause a momentary concern if they are too close to the key during engine start. If a concern occurs, turn the ignition switch off and restart the engine with all other objects on the key ring held away from the ignition key. Check to make sure the PATS key used by the customer is an approved Ford PATS key (PATS keys from Ford, Rotunda, Strattec, HUF are approved Ford PATS keys).

    NOTE: Only 8 PATS keys can be programmed into the IC during normal programming procedures (unless the unlimited key mode is enabled). If the N_KEYCODE PID reads more than 2 and less than 8, the concern may be the PATS key being used is an unprogrammed key. Verify this by also viewing the MASTERKEY PID. It must read PRESNT for the key to be valid.

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    Pinpoint Test D: DTC B1602 - PATS Received Invalid Format Of Key-Code From Ignition Key Transponder

    Normal Operation
    The PATS transceiver communicates with the PATS key. During each vehicle start sequence, the PATS transceiver reads the PATS key identification code and sends the data to the instrument cluster (IC). The IC will then send a message to the PCM to control the engine enable. The IC initiates the key interrogation sequence when the key is turned to the ON or START position.


        DTC B1602 (PATS Received Invalid Format Of Key-Code From Ignition Key Transponder) - sets when only a partial PATS key was read. Remote starter equipment can also cause this DTC.

      This pinpoint test is intended to diagnose the following:
        PATS key
          PATS transceiver
            IC

    PINPOINT TEST D: DTC B1602 - PATS RECEIVED INVALID FORMAT OF KEY-CODE FROM IGNITION KEY TRANSPONDER
    NOTE: Large metallic objects, electronic devices on the key ring that can be used to purchase gasoline or similar items, or a second key on the same key ring as the PATS key may cause vehicle starting concern and record DTCs under certain conditions. If a fault cannot be identified, examine the customer key ring for such objects or devices. If present, inform the customer that they need to keep these objects from touching the PATS key while starting the engine. These objects and devices cannot damage the PATS key, but can cause a momentary concern if they are too close to the key during engine start. If a concern occurs, turn the ignition off and restart the engine with all other objects on the key ring held away from the ignition key. Check to make sure the PATS key used by the customer is an approved Ford PATS key (PATS keys from Ford, Rotunda, Strattec, HUF are approved Ford PATS keys).

    NOTE: Only 8 PATS keys can be programmed into the IC during normal programming procedures (unless the unlimited key mode is enabled). If the N_KEYCODE PID reads more than 2 and less than 8, the concern may be the PATS key being used is an unprogrammed key. Verify this by also viewing the MASTERKEY PID. It must read PRESNT for the key to be valid.

    NOTE: Make sure any aftermarket remote start systems have been removed from the vehicle before any PATS-related no-start concerns are investigated.

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    Pinpoint Test E: DTC B1681 - PATS Transceiver Module Signal Is Not Received


    Refer to Wiring Diagrams Cell 112, Passive Anti-Theft System for schematic and connector information.



    Normal Operation
    The PATS transceiver receives voltage on circuit CBP36 (BU/BN) and ground on circuit GD133 (BK). The PATS transceiver communicates with the PATS key. During each vehicle start sequence, the PATS transceiver reads the PATS key identification code and sends the data to the instrument cluster (IC). The IC and the PATS transceiver communicate on circuits VRT23 (VT/GY) and VRT24 (YE/OG). The IC then sends a message to the PCM to control the engine enable. The IC initiates the key interrogation sequence when the key is turned to the ON or START position.


        DTC B1681 (PATS Transceiver Module Signal Is Not Received) - sets when the PATS transceiver signal is not received by the IC. This DTC can be caused by circuits between the PATS transceiver and the IC, circuits to the PATS transceiver, or by a PATS transceiver or IC that is not operating correctly. This can also be caused by using the incorrect PATS transceiver part number.

      This pinpoint test is intended to diagnose the following:
        Fuse
          Wiring, terminals or connectors
            PATS ignition key
              PATS transceiver
                IC

    -----------------------------------------

    Pinpoint Test F: The Anti-Theft Indicator Is Always/Never On

    Normal Operation
    The passive anti-theft system (PATS) uses a visual anti-theft indicator located in the instrument cluster (IC). This indicator proves out for 3 seconds when the key is turned to the ON or START position under normal operation (even if the vehicle is not equipped with PATS). If there is a PATS concern, this indicator either flashes rapidly or glows steadily (for more than 3 seconds) when the key is turned to the ON or the START position. PATS also flashes the anti-theft indicator every 2 seconds for 10 seconds then it will stay off at key OFF to act as a visual theft deterrent. If the vehicle is not equipped with PATS, the anti-theft indicator does not flash at all with the key on the OFF position. The anti-theft indicator operation is controlled by the IC.

      This pinpoint test is intended to diagnose the following:
        Anti-theft indicator
          IC



    PINPOINT TEST F: THE ANTI-THEFT INDICATOR IS ALWAYS/NEVER ON
    NOTE: When a new IC is installed, the PATS keys must be programmed into the new IC.

    NOTE: When a new IC is installed, the parameters must be reset in the IC and the PCM.

    ----------------------------------------------------

    Pinpoint Test G: DTC U0100 - Lost Communication With ECM/PCM, DTC U2511 - CAN - Data Mis-Match (Receive Data Does Not Match Expected)


    Refer to Wiring Diagrams Cell 14, Module Communications Network for schematic and connector information.



    Normal Operation
    The passive anti-theft system (PATS) uses a visual anti-theft indicator located in the IC. This indicator proves out for 3 seconds when the key is turned to the ON or START position under normal operation. If there is a PATS concern, this indicator either flashes rapidly or glows steadily (for more than 3 seconds) when the key is turned to the ON or the START position. PATS also flashes the anti-theft indicator every 2 seconds at key off to act as a visual theft deterrent. The anti-theft indicator operation is controlled by the IC.

    If DTC U2510 is present, refer to DTC Charts.


        DTC U0100 (Lost Communication With ECM/PCM) - sets in continuous memory only when the instrument cluster (IC) loses communication with the PCM and the fault may not be present at the time of testing. This DTC may be caused by a high speed controller area (HS-CAN) network circuit issue or by the IC or the PCM.
          DTC U2511 (CAN - Data Mis-Match [Receive Data Does Not Match Expected]) - sets in continuous memory only when the IC does not receive the expected response from the PCM over the HS-CAN network and the fault may not be present at the time of testing. The data sent by the PCM does not match the data expected by the IC and this DTC is set. This DTC can be caused by the HS-CAN circuits between the IC and the PCM or by either module. This DTC can also be set if the battery voltage is low.

      This pinpoint test is intended to diagnose the following:
        Wiring, terminals or connectors
          Low battery state of charge (SOC)
            IC
              PCM



    PINPOINT TEST G: DTC U0100 - LOST COMMUNICATION WITH ECM/PCM, DTC U2511 - CAN - DATA MIS-MATCH (RECEIVE DATA DOES NOT MATCH EXPECTED)
    NOTE: When a new IC is installed, the PATS keys must be programmed into the new IC.

    NOTE: When a new IC is installed, the parameters must be reset in the IC and the PCM.


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    PINPOINT TEST G: DTC U0100 - LOST COMMUNICATION WITH ECM/PCM, DTC U2511 - CAN - DATA MIS-MATCH (RECEIVE DATA DOES NOT MATCH EXPECTED)




    Test Step

    Result / Action to Take


    G1 CHECK THE BATTERY STATE OF CHARGE (SOC)




        Ignition OFF.
          Check the battery state of charge (SOC) with the battery condition test. Refer to Section 414-01.
            Does the battery pass the battery condition test?

    Yes
    GO to G2.

    No
    REFER to Section 414-00 to diagnose the low battery voltage condition.

    G2 CHECK FOR MODULE COMMUNICATION ON THE HS-CAN




        Connect the scan tool.
          Ignition ON.
            Carry out the network test using the scan tool.
              Is the scan tool unable to communicate with any of the modules on the HS-CAN?

    Yes
    REFER to Section 418-00 to diagnose the module that is not communicating with the scan tool.

    No
    GO to G3.

    G3 INSPECT THE HS-CAN CIRCUITRY




        Ignition OFF.
          Inspect all of the HS-CAN network, including the pin crimps, connector fit, corroded/bent/pushed-out/damaged pins and splice integrity in the 14 (diesel), 10 (gasoline) splices and 9 connections (diesel), 5 connectors (gasoline) between the PCM and the IC. This includes:

              C175b (gasoline, PCM)


              C1232b (diesel, PCM)


              C140 (diesel)


              S1018 (diesel)


              S1019 (diesel)


              C140 (diesel)


              C1010 (diesel)


              S193 (diesel)


              S197 (diesel)


              C1010 (diesel)


              S129


              S131


              C145


              S234


              S235


              C237


              S312


              S313


              C212


              S207


              S208


              S214


              S218


              C220 (IC)

            Does the HS-CAN network pass the component inspection?

    Yes
    GO to G4.

    No
    REPAIR the HS-CAN circuitry as necessary. CLEAR the DTCs. CYCLE the ignition. REPEAT the self-test. TEST the system for normal operation.

    G4 CHECK FOR CORRECT PCM OPERATION




      NOTE: When a new PCM is installed, the PATS keys do not need to be programmed into the IC.

      NOTE: When a new PCM is installed, the parameters must be reset in the IC and the PCM.

        Disconnect all the PCM connectors.
          Check for:

              corrosion


              damaged pins


              pushed-out pins

            Connect all the PCM connectors and make sure they seat correctly.
              Operate the system and verify the concern is still present.
                Is the concern still present?

    Yes
    INSTALL a new PCM. REFER to Section 303-14A or Section 303-14B. RESET the parameters in both the IC and the PCM. REFER to Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS) Parameter Reset in this section. CYCLE the ignition. REPEAT the self-test. TEST the system for normal operation. If the concern is still present, GO to G5.

    No
    The system is operating correctly at this time. The concern may have been caused by a loose or corroded connector. CLEAR the DTCs. CYCLE the ignition. REPEAT the self-test. TEST the system for normal operation.

    G5 CHECK FOR CORRECT IC OPERATION




      NOTE: When a new IC is installed, the PATS keys must be programmed into the new IC.

      NOTE: When a new IC is installed, the parameters must be reset in the IC and the PCM.

        Disconnect all the IC connectors.
          Check for:

              corrosion


              damaged pins


              pushed-out pins

            Connect all the IC connectors and make sure they seat correctly.
              Operate the system and verify the concern is still present.
                Is the concern still present?

    Yes
    INSTALL a new IC. REFER to Section 413-01. RESET the parameters in both the IC and the PCM. REFER to Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS) Parameter Reset in this section. PROGRAM the PATS keys into the new IC. REFER to Key Programming Using Diagnostic Equipment in this section. CYCLE the ignition. REPEAT the self-test. TEST the system for normal operation.

    No
    The system is operating correctly at this time. The concern may have been caused by a loose or corroded connector. CLEAR the DTCs. CYCLE the ignition. REPEAT the self-test. TEST the system for normal operation.

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    Pinpoint Test H: The Vehicle Does Not Start

    Normal Operation
    The passive anti-theft system (PATS) uses a visual anti-theft indicator located in the IC. This indicator proves out for 3 seconds when the key is turned to the ON or START position under normal operation. If there is a PATS concern, this indicator either flashes rapidly or glows steadily (for more than 3 seconds) when the key is turned to the ON or the START position. PATS also flashes the anti-theft indicator every 2 seconds at key off to act as a visual theft deterrent. The anti-theft indicator operation is controlled by the IC.

      This pinpoint test is intended to diagnose the following:
        Starting system concern
          PATS concern

    PINPOINT TEST H: THE VEHICLE DOES NOT START



    Test Step

    Result / Action to Take


    H1 CHECK FOR COMMUNICATION WITH THE PCM AND INSTRUMENT CLUSTER (IC)




        Connect the scan tool.
          Ignition ON.
            Carry out the network test using the scan tool.
              Does the scan tool establish communication with the PCM and the IC?

    Yes
    GO to H2.

    No
    REFER to Section 418-00 to diagnose the module that is not communicating with the scan tool.

    H2 CHECK FOR INSTRUMENT CLUSTER (IC) DTCs




        Retrieve the IC continuous and on-demand DTCs.
          Are any IC DTCs present?

    Yes
    REFER to DTC Charts in this section.

    No
    The no-start condition is not PATS-related. REFER to the Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual to diagnose the cause of the no-start condition.

    PINPOINT TEST H: THE VEHICLE DOES NOT START



    Test Step

    Result / Action to Take


    H1 CHECK FOR COMMUNICATION WITH THE PCM AND INSTRUMENT CLUSTER (IC)




        Connect the scan tool.
          Ignition ON.
            Carry out the network test using the scan tool.
              Does the scan tool establish communication with the PCM and the IC?

    Yes
    GO to H2.

    No
    REFER to Section 418-00 to diagnose the module that is not communicating with the scan tool.

    H2 CHECK FOR INSTRUMENT CLUSTER (IC) DTCs




        Retrieve the IC continuous and on-demand DTCs.
          Are any IC DTCs present?

    Yes
    REFER to DTC Charts in this section.

    No
    The no-start condition is not PATS-related. REFER to the Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual to diagnose the cause of the no-start condition.

  • gerry bissi Sep 06, 2011

    What is VIN number? I will check build data

  • gerry bissi Sep 06, 2011





    SECTION 419-01: Anti-Theft - Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS)

    2008 F-Super Duty 250-550 Workshop Manual


    GENERAL PROCEDURES
    Procedure revision date: 01/02/2007


    Key Programming Using Two Programmed Keys Printable View (81 KB)

    NOTE: This procedure works only if 2 or more programmed ignition keys are available. If 2 programmed keys are not available, refer to Key Programming Using Diagnostic Equipment in this section.

    NOTE: The PID SPAREKEY must be enabled for this procedure to operate. If this PID is not enabled, refer to Key Programming Switch State Control in this section, then select SPAREKEY programming switch; ENABLED. The PID SPAREKEY is set to ENABLE when the vehicle is built.

    NOTE: If the programming procedure is successful, the new key(s) will start the vehicle and the anti-theft indicator will prove-out for approximately 3 seconds. If the programming procedure is not successful and the new key(s) does not start the engine, leave the key in the ON position for at least 3 seconds, then turn the key off. Repeat the key programming procedure from Step 1. If the failure repeats, refer to Anti-Theft in the Diagnosis and Testing portion of this section to review the DTCs and carry out the appropriate pinpoint tests.

    NOTE: A maximum of 8 passive anti-theft system (PATS) keys can be programmed into the instrument cluster (IC) during this programming procedure, but only if the PID SPAREKEY is ENABLED.

    NOTE: A minimum of 2 PATS keys must be programmed into the IC before the vehicle will start.

    NOTE: If the vehicle is in unlimited key mode, this spare key programming procedure still functions. Any 2 keys that can start the vehicle can be used to program an additional unlimited key.

    NOTE: If additional keys are to be programmed, and the remaining keys are with the customer, or are not available, instruct the customer to refer to the Owner's Literature for instructions on programming the remaining keys. In this case, the PID SPAREKEY must be enabled.

    NOTE: If the steps are not carried out as outlined, the programming procedure will end.

    NOTE: Ignition keys must have a correct mechanical key cut for the vehicle and must be PATS encoded keys (contain a transponder).

    NOTE: This procedure is not necessary if only the PATS transceiver was replaced. Replacement of the transceiver does not erase the PATS key codes in the IC.


        Insert the first programmed key into the ignition lock cylinder and turn the key from the OFF position to the ON position (maintain the key in the ON position for a minimum of 3 seconds and less than 10 seconds).


        Turn the key to the OFF position and remove the first key from the ignition lock cylinder.


        Within 5 seconds of turning the key to the OFF position, insert the second programmed key into the ignition lock cylinder and turn the key from the OFF position to the ON position (maintain the key in the ON position for a minimum of 3 seconds and less than 10 seconds).


        Turn the key to the OFF position and remove the key from the ignition lock cylinder.


        Within 10 seconds of turning the key to the OFF position, insert the unprogrammed key (the new key) into the ignition lock cylinder and turn the key from the OFF position to the ON position (maintain the key in the ON position for a minimum of 3 seconds and less than 10 seconds).


        If it is desired to program additional key(s) (only up to 8 keys total can be programmed into the IC), repeat Steps 1 - 5 for each additional key that needs to be programmed.


        Start the vehicle with the new key(s).

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    Item

    Part Number

    Description


    1
    3F609
    Tilt steering wheel lock lever and screw

    2
    W710485-S
    Steering column shroud screws (3 required)

    3
    3533
    Lower steering column shroud

    4
    -
    Passive anti-theft system (PATS) transceiver electrical connector (part of 14401)

    5
    15607
    PATS transceiver

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Check fuse number 36 .Its 5 amp fuse.Its located in passenger compartment fuse box.Remove this fuse completely out and inspect, if this fuse is blown, replace it.If its not blown, then let the fuse remain out for 5 minutes, then reinsert the fuse back in its slot.Then check.--------- Thanks.Helpmech.

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  • raj somaiya Sep 05, 2011

    If fuse 36 is checked ok and removing it and reinserting it is not resetting the anti-theft system, Then problem is with ignition key.Or problem with ignition cylinder or the computer.--------
    The theft sensor is in the ignition lock cylinder, There is a chip in ignition key, which this lock cylinder sensor detects.If the key chip is faulty or key lock cylinder sensor itself is faulty, then also anti-theft light will not come ON.But if this both are checked ok, then yes its computer related problem.Many a times getting the computer reprogrammed by dealer helps.But in some cases, either theft module or computer needs to be replaced.------------
    Thanks.Helpmech.

  • raj somaiya Sep 05, 2011

    Then the ignition key and ignition lock cylinder theft sensor.----------
    Both needs to be checked.-------- Any of the one is not functioning right, causing no theft light. Also check the voltage at fuse number 36 slot. Where the fuse number 36 is inserted, check there, do you get 12 volts with ignition ON.------------ This will help.Thanks.Helpmech.

  • raj somaiya Sep 05, 2011

    There must be the key transponder, where the key cylinder goes is there a black ring around the steering coloum with a connector mounted under it.Either that is the problem, or the problem is with theft controlling IC.-----
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    For the exact location and more details, click the link below:--------
    http://howtobyme.blogspot.com/2011/09/th...
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    This will help.Thanks.Helpmech.

  • raj somaiya Sep 05, 2011

    Ok, try this procedure.Disconnect car battery terminal, then insert the key in ignition, then turn key to ON position.Then reconnect the car battery and see if car starts and runs, by this procedure.-------
    Also Replace the key fob battery and see if the car starts after key fob battery is replaced.------
    Keep updated.Thanks.Helpmech.

  • raj somaiya Sep 06, 2011

    The anti-theft code is 1:6 which is Faulty link between PATS module and EECV Go to main dealer.
    ---------
    1:6 Faulty link between PATS module and EECV Go to main dealer If the LED illuminates for 4 seconds but the engine does not crank, PATS is working correctly and there is a fault elsewhere. Try starter solenoid or battery. If okay go to main dealer. If the LED illuminates for 4 seconds and the engine cranks but does not start, PATS is working correctly and the fault lies elsewhere. Check the Fuel Cut-Off switch. If okay go to main dealer. If none of the above checks resolves the problem then the system will need to be connected to WDS at a main dealer for a diagnostic check. If the engine starts normally but the LED stays on, wait for one minute. The LED may then flash a code 2:1. This is showing a 'fault' that there are less than 3 keys programmed into PATS. One of more keys need to be programmed to stop this code. Any other code needs referring to the Ford main dealer.-------------
    OBD II tool will not work.This can be scanned by scan tool at dealer.Its not possible to troubleshoot without an NGS tester or WDS scan tool.That will only tell what is faulty, and as per that troubleshooting will be done.---------
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    this will help.Thanks.Helpmech.

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