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Replaced control interface panel and transformer, igniter glows and gas valve clicks but no ignition. have run volt tester and all is up to spec.

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You'll need a manometer to check inlet and outlet gas pressure to confirm the valve is opening upon receiving voltage. Since you have replaced everything else you're likely to find that even though the 24V is present at the valve and the inlet pressure is fine you are not getting any manifold pressure - the valve is bad.

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