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Janome 4400 bought new bobbin holder but still have lots of issues with thread looping while sewing. The repair person says I pull the thread forward after cutting it and undo the proper bobbin threading. is there anything i can do to solve this nightmare. I have had my machine for 5 years and only having this problem lately.

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It would probably help to always pull your fabric toward the back of the machine when clipping the thread. That's probably why most machines with an external thread cutter have the cutter placed toward the left and back of the machine.

If thread is looping under the fabric, the issue is usually a top thread issue (check your stitch sample, is it the top thread or bobbin thread that is looping?). Looping under the fabric is called bird nesting. ALWAYS RAISE the presser foot when threading the top thread. This releases the top tension disk and allows the thread to seat completely in the tension disk. Looping results when the thread is not seated completely in the tension disk so the tension disk is not controlling the thread tension like it should.

If thread issues appear on the top of your fabric, then it is usually a bobbin issue.

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Looping the material ( bird nesting) is an indication of incorrect needle thread tension before threading the needle pull the thread and there should be resistance to the pulling

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Feb 26, 2008

SOURCE: threading a sewing machine

What do you mean you are unable to pull the bobbin thread through, elaboration would help solve the problem...
I suspect I'm having the same problem with you if it's anything to do with the top thread looping around in the bobbin holder.

Damn machine!

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  • Posted on May 09, 2008

SOURCE: I have a janome 10001,

Ensure that all is clean and free of lint and jams, this is the most likely cause....now for tension troubleshooting .......

This solution is for tension problems...if you cannot form any sort of stitch, the issue is quite different, so please let me know if you need a different problem solved.....

It is quite long, but just work through each section in order.
The "knotting up" can reveal a lot. If you have loose threads on one side or the other, the tension on the opposite side will be the culprit.

QUICK SUMMARY FIRST:
Ensure sharp new needle,
Thread guides and Bobbin are Clean & Clear of lint
Set Top Tension to 4 ....then....
Balance Bobbin to suit.

TOP THREAD TENSION:
If the looping threads are on the underside as you sew, it is the top tension. Top tension ought to be between 4 & 6 (this variation to allow for the different weights of fabric in your projects).

IS YOUR NEEDLE SHARP ?
If you are using a needle that has seen quite a deal of work, or you suspect it may be blunt, change it for a new one !

TOP TENSION & GUIDES:
Make sure that when you thread the machine the presser foot is up so the thread goes between the discs and not to one side, top tension between 4 and 6, and that you have threaded through all the guides, including the last one, usually on the needle arm, just above the needle clamp.

It may be there is lint trapped between the discs, this will keep them slightly apart and reduce the actual tension, sometimes dramatically.

If tensions appear correct, and the thread is definitely in the channel between the discs, but still too loose and looping, try raising presser foot and remove your thread.

Now, with a 2" (50mm) wide strip piece of fabric 8 - 10" (20 - 25cm) moistened with methylated or denatured spirit, gently insert the fabric strip and clean between the discs with a see saw / to and fro action.

In the worst cases, gentle use of a needle to pick & remove the jam may be necessary, but be very gentle and make sure the tension is set at Zero and the presser foot is raised, (to
disengage tension plates).... do not gouge or score the plates, they need a polished surface to work correctly.

BOBBIN TENSION:
Far less common, but if the loose threads are on the top, it is bobbin tension that is loose, it too may have lint in the spring and be giving a "false" tension.

I would not recommend fiddling with bobbin tension without good reason, it may end up with missing small screws and spring pieces, however, you can take the needle plate off to clean
the hook race area (where bobbin case sits)

...this is just good housekeeping, my wife does this every time she replaces the bobbin....

just take it out and clean the bobbin case and the fixed metal hook race with a small brush to remove lint. If there is a significant amount of lint, use a vacuum and small brush to get the worst.

Then wipe all this area with a cloth or cotton bud (Q tip) moistened (not soaked) with methylated spirit, especially if there appears to be fine dirty deposits....oil and lint combine to conspire against you.

If it seems likely that you ......really ....do .....actually .....need .....to adjust the bobbin case, first check there is no lint trapped in the metal spring where the thread is tensioned.

TOP LOADER:
Drop-in Bobbin case will look similar to this image with the tension screw in the middle of the metalwork....

4c76dc1.jpg ...the other screw at one end is holding it all together, so beware....it is not a tragedy to undo the whole lot and clean it, but very gingerly and lay the bits out in sequence and orientation, or you risk tearing your hair out !

FINISHING UP & GETTING THE BALANCE RIGHT:
When you are certain there's no trapped lint in top tension or bobbin, set the top tension to 4 and the bobbin tension to a point where you just begin to feel resistance.

Try using good quality thread of contrasting colours so you can more easily spot the changes.

Set your zigzag to one width less than maximum (eg. 5 of 6 ...or... 4 of 5 etc) and sew a sample for a few inches and check the result.... adjust the bobbin tension screw very little at
a time, perhaps 1/16 of a turn.

You may find you are playing with this balance for some little while and if you are putting the needleplate on and off each time begin to think it cannot be correct to do this.....BUT....it is,
and eventually, you do get a "feel" for the correct tension and then it happens quite quickly.....as a user you won't be doing it very often unless there is lint built up (or are there small hands at work around the house !?!?!)

OTHER ISSUES:
If you live near the ocean as we do, salt air can play havoc with metalwork inside and out, so to help minimise this, keep a few small packets of dessicant (silica gel) in your machine
case....no case ? then make some sort of cover !

Same applies in any damp or humid environment, keep your machine dry and dust free.

Budget for a proper full service every couple of years (more often if heavily used) and if you don't use your machine for a few years, be aware that old oil will dry out and combining with
dust and form a "clag" like glue (another reason for some sort of cover, even a teatowel !)

FINALLY, A WORD ON THREAD:
If it is worth spending the time, energy and money on making something that you would like to give lasting enjoyment......use quality thread, .......it may seem to cost a little more at the
time, but the results, ease of use and added longevity will be worth the extra, and as a bonus, your tension troubles may be fewer and further between, because there is a more consistent diameter with good thread, and less compensating to be done by your tension plates and less thread breaks !

If you want any more help with this, just post back here, or, drop a line through the "Contact Us" page at

coesew

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  • Posted on Jun 05, 2008

SOURCE: Janome Memory Craft 9500 Troubleshooting

The solution that I found last night was the thread tension. I have never touched the dial, only had it set on 'auto." When I started playing with it, I realized the top thread should be really easy to pull through the machine and it wasn't. I started turning the dial (to 3 or 4) and the thread slid through the machine perfectly. No more birds nest! I really thought it was bobbin initially because of the horrible sound it was making.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Feb 12, 2009

SOURCE: Singer Touch & Sew won't loop bobbin thread

I believe you have a broken gear. These are difficult to repair on your own.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Mar 18, 2009

SOURCE: Upper thread knots up with bobbin thread when sewing a stich

Thread test
Test your thread quality to start, thread your machine and LIFT the presser foot (this opens the tension disks). Pull your top thread straight back. If you feel no tension no mater how much thread you pull, your thread is good. If that your machine passes that test, then let me know, we can go to step 2. If not, try different spool of thread, same test until you get a smooth pull (tip: always check your thread this way when you thread your machine)
Step 2:
Pull on your threaded bobbin thread while it’s in the machine. Does it pull smooth and even? If so, go to step 3. If not, try a new bobbin (bobbins get bent or distorted if wound too tight).
Clean thoroughly in the hook and bobbin case area and oil 1-2 drop is all.
Thread knotting on the bobbin can be a lot of things but here's some guidance:
Tension:
If the thread is loose on the bottom of the fabric, it's actually the top thread is too loose. Think of 2 little elves playing tug of war in your machine, one on toip and one underneath. If you have loops on bottom, the top needs to pull harder (tighten top tension)
Jamming bobbin case:
If it is damaged from turning out of place once, it could have rough spots on it that makes the thread hang on it, and keeps making it turn over and over. Use a finger nail board (fine sanding) and smoothall rough spots. Then reset the bobbin case taking care to put the notch in the bobbin case in alignment with the proper spot in the machine (basically 5 o’clock) when looking at the round area where the bobbin case goes.

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Mb4 bird nesting in back side and looping on top--- I have been using Robinson Anton thread and pre wound bobbins--i am at a loss!!

Hello, Jerry -

I doubt the kind of thread and pre-wound bobbins you use with your Janome MB4 sewing machine are the problem with the thread tangles and loops on the bottom and top of the items you are working on are the problem. Robinson Anton threads appear to be rated as high quality.

I suspect the problems are caused by the tensions for the top and bottom threads and / or how the bobbin is inserted in the bobbin holder. It is an embroidery sewing machine, is it not?

From the user manual for your model of machine:
https://www.janome.com/siteassets/support/manuals/embroidery-models/inst-book-mb-4en.pdf
on Page 81 (PDF image 84), the problem of the thread looping (last Troubleshooting issue on the page) may be caused by
- Needle thread tension too loose
- Bobbin not inserted properly
- Poor quality thread used (Note: I don't think that is the issue for you.)

I found a series of YouTube videos about the Janome MB4 machine, which may prove instructive. This is the link to the Part 1 video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VL-ikUr3tQ
In the right sidebar of that page, you will see links to the first parts of the video series. As you choose subsequent parts of the video series, you will see additional links to other parts of the video series in the right sidebar.

I also found a longer video tutorial on YouTube for the Janome MB4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_RJ8-kY5_o
The sections of the video on inserting the bobbin (starting at about minute 14:18) and threading the machine (starting at about minute 15:17) may be helpful.

If, after making sure you know how to insert the bobbin properly in the machine and after threading the machine properly and setting the tension for each needle, you still experience thread nesting, I suggest you locate a nearby authorized Janome sewing machine service center and pay to have the machine evaluated and adjusted so that it works properly.

Best wishes.

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I have a Janome Horison Memory Craft 8900 SpEd, thread looping on backing side for free motion. DO i NEED Part No. 200-445-007 Janome Bobbin Holder for Free Quilting and Hand-Look Quilt Stitch.

Free motion quilting is a finicky function, much more than most other sewing. Since you are getting loops on the back of the fabric, try increasing the upper thread tension. Tension causes the top and bobbin threads to pull against each other. If the pull is not equal, the threads will be pulled to one side or the other.

If you continue to experience looping under the fabric, it could be that the top thread is not fully seated in the tension disk. Try this:

Remove the top thread completely from the machine.
Be sure to install a brand new sharp needle.
ALWAYS RAISE the presser foot and rethread from the beginning.
Retest your machine.

However, if you don't find a fix, $25 for the special bobbin holder is probably a reasonable cost if it takes care of the problem. The reviews seem to be good:

http://www.sewvacdirect.com/janome-bobbin-case-for-free-motion-quilting-fits-models-mc14000-mc6500p-mc6600p-mc11000-mc7700-mc12000-and-more/

https://thequiltshow.com/forum/domestic-sewing-machines/120-janome-mc6600p
"Yesterday I bought a new free motion quilting foot and a bobbinholder (for free motion) for my MC Janome 6600P. I have been quilting all day, and belive you me it is a greate investment!!! :lol: :lol: Its like sewing on butter :lol: :shock:

Free motion Quilting Foot: part no.: 200-442-004 (MC6600P and MC11000)

Bobbin Holder (for free quilting and hand-look quiltstitch): part no.: 200-445-007 (MC 6600P, MC11000 and MC6500)

Bet you would love to have those too if you are doing a lot of free motion! The quiltfoot you can adjust so it works perfectly on your quilt!
:lol: :D :wink: I am sooooo happy!!!!"


https://www.getasquiltingstudio.com/2012/01/free-motion-quilting-tips-ii.html

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My sewing machine is a Janome Magnolia 7330. The hand wheel will not manually turn backwards to raise or lower the needle. When sewing, the bobbin stitches are loose and looped.

I would find a local sewing machine sales and repair shop near you. You will need to have them look into this, it may be a timing issue or a broken or damaged part.
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When i sew, the underneith is making loops

Check the bobbin tension and that the thread is tight around the bobbin. Make sure that the bobbin is in the right way around - the bobbin thread should double back on itself coming out of the bobbin holder.
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I have a janome 1600, my third is looping on the bottom

Check the bobbin tension and that the thread is tight around the bobbin. Make sure that the bobbin is in the right way around - the bobbin thread should double back on itself coming out of the bobbin holder.
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How do i adjust the tenion on my bobbin thread?

There should be a screw on the bobbin holder. This screw is on the side of the bobbin casing. (Bobbin holder removes to put the bobbin into). Most models have this. Turn the screw clockwise to increase tension. Run a stitch and check the underside of the fabric to see the stitches. If they look loose or sloppy still, turn the screw more, if they look too tight(pulling) then you have gone too tight. Hope that this helps!
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When feed dogs down top stitching fine ,but underneath large loops and cobbling settings are as per instructions in manual , ? problem

Have you checked to see if the Thread has slipped out of the Tension guides? Here are my quick steps to getting back to happy sewing:
  1. Remove bobbin and blow out the dust from in and around the bobbin case, when replacing bobbin... make sure it the thread is traveling the right direction in the bobbin case. (this one never hurts to try, a backwards bobbin causes lots of probelms)
  2. Re-thread the machine (the thread in my Janome sometimes comes out of the thread uptake lever causing the problem you described, could mean your threading path might need to be cleaned)
  3. New needle (the tiniest bent needle can cause hair pulling issues.)
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What do you mean you are unable to pull the bobbin thread through, elaboration would help solve the problem...
I suspect I'm having the same problem with you if it's anything to do with the top thread looping around in the bobbin holder.

Damn machine!

:)
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