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Anonymous Posted on Jul 15, 2008

Fan motor I checked the fan motor schematic and there is a fuse somewhere within the fan motor assembly, I think? Would a thermal fuse be wrapped within the wires leading to the motor or in the motor assembly itself? I'm thinking of cutting open the insulated wiring to find out. Thanks.

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Hi,
I can't imagine why a >thermal< fuse would be insulated as I thought they were designed to melt when the ambient temperature exceeded the stated value
There are some pics of typical thermal fuses here :-
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38&_nkw=thermal+fuse
I also have difficulty imagining why they would out such a component in a fan motor assembly - it's not the sort of thing that usually catches fire!
Equally, a non-thermal filament type fuse would normally be placed where it could be seen and replaced. I would expect it to be mounted on a pcb - soldered in, perhaps, but in an obvious place.
We are not allowed to exchange emails via fixya.com, but if you wanted to upload that schematic to senduit.com, and then post the download link here, perhaps I could take a look at the schematic myself.
Sorry this is taking so long to sort out!
Cheers, D.

If the fuse is not

  • Anonymous Nov 04, 2010

    The thermal fuse is attached to the black wire inside the motor housing. It protects from fire in the event of an overheated motor.

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