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I just got a Brother CS600i as a gift. The decorative stitches are appearing on the bottom side of the fabric NOT the top. Flip the fabric over and the decorative stitch is perfect and beautiful. To me, the top looks as if it should be on the other side of the fabric. Seems counter intuitive to sewing; certainly not practical for appliques. So I'm thinking either I'm doing something wrong or something is wrong with the machine. I have already tried changing the tension and have made sure to use the proper foot. Any suggestions?

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I also have this problem, I am very confused and the advice given above is not applicable to the problem. I have rethreaded and changed the tension and all I get is the front of the stitch on the reverse of the fabric. Help

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    I also have this problem, I am very confused and the advice given above is not applicable to the problem. I have rethreaded and changed the tension and all I get is the front of the stitch on the reverse of the fabric. Help

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Usually it is the opposite problem of what you think, try rethreading your machine , because the bobbin thread has to lock on to the top thread. Try this test, with presser foot up, pull top & bottom threads, they should pull smoothly, now lower presser foot and pull again, they should barely move. Try your tension at 3 and your length longer. If that doesn't seat your thread in the tension discs, I don't know what will. You can always call Brother at 1-877-276-8437 and ask if you got a dud and what you can do about it.

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