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I have installed a Fluidmaster 403 G fill valve, flapper and tank lever to the water tank in my toilet. The tank fills OK but after several minutes the water in the tank has drained out I can not see where there are any leak. I thought it might be the new flapper so I refitted the old flapper and the tank is still draining.

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If no leaks in tank. push down on flapper when it fills up. if water stops draining then it is the seal under flapper that is bad. you can lift up flapper and put patrolium jelly on bottom of flapper. this may just seal it. or it needs a certain type of flapper.

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Water keeps filling in toliet even after full

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Overview Toilets haven't changed much in the last 80 years. After a flush, water still fills a tank, lifting a float that shuts off the water when it reaches a certain level. A lever still opens a flapper to cause the flush, falling back into place when the water level drops. So it's no surprise (nor any consolation) that we face the same flush problems today that our grandparents did. Sometimes the flush is too wimpy, sometimes the toilet keeps running, and sometimes the bowl doesn't refill.
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2...Flapper valve inside at the bottom of the tank is not sealing properly, thus allowing water to leak and causing the fluidmaster to keep trying to fill the tank with water and causing the pump to run too much.
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2.The Fluidmaster water control unit that is connected to the other end of the chain, isn't shutting off when the lever for it, is all the way in the down position.

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(Facing the toilet from the front, the FluidMaster water control unit is in the left corner of the tank. {Not trying to insult your intelligence}
The lever I speak of, is the small arm at the top of the FluidMaster. The Flapper Valve chain connects to this lever)

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If it doesn't shut off when you apply pressure to that lever, you may have a bad diaphragm in the FluidMaster.
Suggest you replace this unit.
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