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Anonymous Posted on Dec 31, 2009

Toilet on uneven floor

I installed a new toilet on our newly tiled floor in the basement. It started to leak after 3 months. Ther is a 4" pvc drain that lays about 1/4 inch below the tiled surface. The two bolts are cemented into the concrete floor. There is no toilet flange on the floor. I used an oversized wax ring with the rubber sleave. Since the toilet rocked front to back, I shimmed the rear of the toilet. I now am leaning toward using a no-wax drain seal but wonder if they work. Fluidmaster and Fernco make them. Or should I stack two wax rings and try again. The oversized wax ring did not last long. I could use a pro's advice.

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I believe that I qualify... over 300 toilets installed in the past 15 months!!

I would go with the wax rings... but I would press the ring into the base of the toilet before installing the toilet....that way you are sure to have a good seal to the toilet....

If you actually read the directions, the manufacturer will tell you to press the wax ring onto the toilet....then install it onto the floor drain.
I guess that a PLAIN wax ring placed on the floor drain (since it is recessed) before placing the rubber-sleeve equipped ringed toiled is a good safety measure... I have done that an it work about 37 times out of 40.

Good question - BTW.. and well worded. THANKS for being specific and precise!!

Testimonial: "Sounds like a good idea. Not sure about the plain wax ring on the floor however. Doesn't this wax ring need a rubber sleave going into the drain?"

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    Jean St John Sep 04, 2014

    Peice on floor drain is broken and it will not hold the toilet down how do I replace it?

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I have used mortar to settle the rocking on a leaky one i had, that did the trick. but im not sure about the lack of a flange, could be a leak waiting to happen.

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There are height adjustable toilet flanges sold at home depot, they have rubber seal that goes inside current pipe. can also install a flange that will need to be secured to floor with screws. you will need to get a tile drill bit if going thru tiled floor.

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