Question about Lutron Electrical Supplies

1 Answer

I have a 3-way switch in an old house that has three black cloth-covered wires attached. the second switch is up the stairs and I would like to remove completely and cover the hole.

I'm replacing the downstairs switch with a Lutron P-PKG1WB-WH smart switch that has a paired remote to provide the 3-way functionality. The Lutron does not require a common and I have used it to replace other switches successfully. My questions is how to connect the wires on the 2nd switch so that I can control the light from the single switch downstairs? Your help is appreciated.

Posted by on

  • Carl Rock
    Carl Rock Apr 11, 2019

    RE: Lutron smart switch in residence without equipment grounding conductor. The Lutron PKG1WB wall switch requires a functional ground wire to operate. It will not work with knob & tube wiring without the addition a equipment grounding conductor.

×

Ad

1 Answer

  • Level 3:

    An expert who has achieved level 3 by getting 1000 points

    Superstar:

    An expert that got 20 achievements.

    All-Star:

    An expert that got 10 achievements.

    MVP:

    An expert that got 5 achievements.

  • Lutron Master
  • 1,187 Answers

I take it you don't want to just remove the upstairs 3 way switch and wirenut the 3 wires together and put a blank cover plate over the box<?>.

Need to know more info. Does the upstairs box have 3 wires only? If no, then likely you will not be able to abandon the upstairs switch box as it will need to remain as an active junction box. If yes, then it becomes a rather lengthy procedure (textual). I'll sketch it out but need an answer the number of wires in upstairs box.


Comment below so I may assist further.

Posted on Mar 28, 2019

Ad

6 Suggested Answers

6ya6ya
  • 2 Answers

SOURCE:

Hi there,
Save hours of searching online or wasting money on unnecessary repairs by talking to a 6YA Expert who can help you resolve this issue over the phone in a minute or two.

Best thing about this new service is that you are never placed on hold and get to talk to real repairmen in the US.

Here's a link to this great service

Good luck!

Posted on Jan 02, 2017

Ad
  • 1 Answer

SOURCE: help with door switch wiring.

Just found that my neighbour works for comet

Got full PDF. Whiring is as follows:-

3=Gray
4=Brown White
5=Pink White

Posted on Dec 31, 2008

  • 19 Answers

SOURCE: Connecting Leviton Decora light switch.

At the switch you have a feed wire coming in this brings in power which originates in the electric panel. You also have a feed or feeds goings out to other lts or switches, this you seem to have on the switch. instead of the closet switch loop.undo all the wires. find the only hot this is the one wire you can touch to the others and make different lts come on i reccomend getting a electric tester to do this. FInd the wire that goes to the closet lt. Once your sure put it to the side. wirenut all other wires together with the hot wire. this makes all other switches independantly hot. connect the hot to the switch and the closet lt to switch. I HOPE THIS MAKES SOME SENSE TO YOU . let me know if i can help

Posted on Jan 04, 2009

  • 50 Answers

SOURCE: replace two way light switch

It sounds like you have what is called a three way switch for the upstairs light. This means that the light is controlled in two locations. The extra wire you refer to as a loop is called the traveller it goes between the two locations. You need to use the proper type of switch for 3 way applications. Once you get that there will be three holes instead of 2. the traveller usually installs in the hole that is alone (usually 2 holes on the bottom and one on the top). Any 3 way switch will come with instructions, or you should be able to find diagram easily on line.

Posted on Jan 04, 2009

  • 234 Answers

SOURCE: Wiring/Replacing pull chain ceiling fan switch

Sounds like it to me that the netual is not there.

Posted on Mar 13, 2009

protek480
  • 1730 Answers

SOURCE: Trying to hook up a Lutron fan control and dimmer

The old switch is just a single pole switch. The new one is for fan speed control. You need to use a regular single pole switch like you had. Or you can use a single pole switch on the Lutron you bought if you can figure out which wires to use. Do you have a meter?

If you need further help, I’m available over the phone at https://www.6ya.com/expert/craig_3fa289bf857b1a3c

Posted on Jun 30, 2009

Add Your Answer

Uploading: 0%

my-video-file.mp4

Complete. Click "Add" to insert your video. Add

×

Loading...
Loading...

Related Questions:

2 Answers

Lights not working @ top of stairs


Pull the covers off the switch boxes and remove the switches but don't disconnect them. Look to see how many wires are connected to each switch. A two way switch should have 3 insulated wires connect to each switch AND a bare copper wire for ground. If you don't have that configuration, then it was not built correctly.

Jun 28, 2015 | Home

1 Answer

I did not make a diagram when replacing the light switch


Red from switch goes to two blacks, blue from switch goes to two blacks and the black wire goes thru top of light and attaches to blue fan light wire. If you want a good fan, look for blade pitch(13 degree or higher)Or CFM's above 5500 on high.

Oct 02, 2013 | Hampton Bay 24002 Ceiling Fan

1 Answer

Replacing a light fixture


This is much simpler than it sounds, but if you're a total novice you'll need to read it all.

First, make sure power to fixture is off. Best method is to locate circuit breaker or fuse that controls that fixture's power. At minimum shut off the wall switch to it if there is one.

Next, remove the old fixture. Usually there are two screws or decorative nuts holding the base cover (canopy) on. On ceiling pendant fixtures there may be a retaining ring holding up the canopy, unscrew this ring counterclockwise and the canopy will drop over the support chain, exposing the junction box where the wires are connected.

It is critical at this point that the power is off.

Modern house wiring and fixtures are connected with three wires.
Green or bare copper = ground (earth)
White or grey = neutral
Black, Red, Blue or any other solid color other than green, white or grey = power or hot wire (this is the wire that is controlled by a switch.
For simplicity I will call the three: Green, White and Black.

The next step requires you to carefully pull the wires out of the junction box and isolate the black, white and green wire connections from each other. Make sure the connectors (wire nuts) for each connection are accessible.

Warning: With old or over heated wiring, take extra care not to crack or disturb the insulation(wire covering) on any of the wires. If insulation is crumbling away exposing bare wire, stop and call an electrician! Do not turn the power back on until he has repaired those damaged wires, they could start a fire.

Isolate the connection between the black house wire and black fixture wire. Remove this wire nut. At this point I usually use an electrical tester to double check that the power is off by touching one side to the newly exposed black connection and any grounded metal part nearby.
(Note: some multiple switched (three way) circuits may use a white wire as a power wire. If the black fixture wire is connected to a white house wire, mark that white house wire with black electrical tape for future identification.)
Once you are positive there is no power at the fixture junction box remove the connectors from the white and green wires.

Detach the old fixture and it's mounting bracket.

Re-attach the new fixture using bracket and new connectors that are usually provided. Some brackets have a green ground screw. Wrap the bare ground wire clockwise around that screw and tighten it down leaving enough remaining ground wire to attach to the fixture ground.

If the wires to the new fixtures do not have a 1/2 inch of exposed bare wire at the ends (stripped) you must do so. I use a wire stripping tool but you can do it with a sharp knife being careful not to nick the metal wire.
Once the wire tips are stripped, hold the tips of each color pair together side by side, slip the wire nut over them and twist clockwise until snug. (White to white, black to black etc.)
Take care that the new wire nuts are secure at each connection. Do not over tighten them but insure that they are correctly attached by gently tugging on each wire. When completed the black and white connections should have no exposed bare wire showing.
The Green (bare copper) wire is there for safety and never carries current, hence exposed wire is not an issue on ground wires.

Assemble and attach the new fixture according to instructions in the box.

Pendant ceiling fixtures usually require additional assembly steps including adjusting chain height, looping wires through the chain and slipping retaining nut and canopy over chain prior to connecting. Always follow directions that come with the fixtures.

When in doubt, call a professional. Electricity is dangerous.

Apr 06, 2013 | Dryers

1 Answer

Hampton bay fan pull chain broke. The electrician took the light kit down and all four wires had come out of the pull switch he could not install replacement switch without knowing which wires went to...


1. Open the switch housing of the fan. This is usually achieved either by removing two screws on the bottom cap of the switch housing, or three screws on the side. Remove the pullchain assembly by unscrewing the brass finial on the outside of the switch housing.

2. Make careful note of which wires attach where to the pullchain. The chain itself will be marked L-1-2-3 or A-B-C-D or similar, the wires will customarily be of different colors, but if not, mark both the wires and pullchain if necessary. MAKE CAREFUL NOTE OF WHICH WIRES ATTACH WHERE. Every fan is different and if you do not make note there will likely be a complicated guessing game. I cannot stress this step enough. Make careful note of which wires attach where to the pullchain. For example:

Black - L, Grey - 1, Brown - 2, Purple - 3.

Some fans may use only two or three wires, some may have a pullchain with two layers and five or more wires. Regardless, make careful note of which wires attach where.

3. Remove the wires from the pullchain. In some cases they may be attached via wire nuts, in which case, remove the wire nuts. However in most fans the wires are inserted directly into the pullchain. Don't make the mistake of cutting them, they can be removed completely by inserting a very small flathead screwdriver into the slot next to each wire. You will notice the ends of the wires are soldered, this is so they will attach to the pullchain.

4. Determine the correct replacement pullchain. This is the tricky part. Many pullchains look alike but in fact switch differently. There are a few factors, first of all, how many speeds does the fan have as controlled by the pullchain? Second of all, how many wires are used to connect the pullchain? These will determine maybe 75% of replacement pullchains. Here are some examples:

- If the fan has three speeds and the pullchain has four wires, it is most commonly a L-1-2-3 pullchain. This is a single pole triple throw switch with an off position. It connects the power from L to 1, 2, or 3 respectively, one for each speed.

- If the fan has three speeds and the pullchain has three wires, it is an L-1-2-1+2 pullchain. This is a single pole double throw switch with an off position and a "both" position. That is to say, in connects power from L to 1 or 2 respectively, and on the third position connects to both. This is the same switch used in many lamps to switch on one bulb (or set of bulbs), the other, or both.

- If the fan has two speeds and the pullchain has three wires, it is most commonly a L-1-2 pullchain. This is a single pole double throw switch with an off position. It connects the power from L to 1 or 2 respectively.

- If the fan has three speeds and the pullchain has more than four wires, there are a handful of different pullchain possibilities however most hardware stores stock the most common replacement. This would customarily be a double pole switch with two layers of wires attaching.

The replacements mentioned above are the most common examples . . . but as I said, there are other switches that may appear identical (for example three speed fan, four wires, but it's NOT the first switch I mentioned). In most cases I would first try the replacement mentioned above. These are the switches that your local hardware store should stock. If the fan does not work with the likely replacement, does not work on all speeds, spins too fast, too slow, etc . . . and you are sure you properly noted which wire connected where on the old pullchain and wired the replacement correctly . . . then it appears your fan is in the 25% that uses a non-standard switch. There are three ways to determine the correct replacement switch:

- Contact the manufacturer. If they are still in business they can theoretically send you the correct replacement switch. If they are no longer in business, contact someone on our forums or other ceiling fan experts, we/they may be aware of the correct replacement for your particular model

- If you can still switch speeds on the old pullchain, use an ohm-meter to check for continuity between the various wires on the various positions. In most cases the important relationships are between L and the various other positions, for example a three speed four wire switch might be L-1-2+3-3. This means in the first position L connects to 1, in the second position L to 2 and 3, in the third position L to 3, fourth position off.

- If you can not operate the switch, you can open up it's plastic casing, either to operate the switch by hand, or to observe the metal bands inside. Some websites that sell replacement switches offer diagrams of the metal bands, by matching your switch up to the diagram you can determine the correct replacement.

5. Ok, you've determined and obtained the correct replacement switch.Seeing as you made careful note of which wires connect to where on the old switch, reconnect the wires in the same manner to the replacement switch. If your old switch did not require the tips of the wires be soldered you may need to do so in order to properly attach them to the pullchain.

6. Reattach the pullchain to the switch housing and replace the finial. Replace the switch housing cap with the two or three screws.

Additional Notes:

I. Fan lights where the pullchain is simply on/off use a two wire pullchain. This pullchain is a very standard on/off switch and it is simply connected to the two wires to which the old pullchain was connected. The wires can be reversed and it will still work. Lights where you can select one bulb, the other bulb, or both use the pullchain mentioned with that example above.

II. Some fans do not use the pullchain to control speeds, but instead have a dial or other control on the fan for speed selection. The pullchain is used to turn the fan off and on, and in some cases also to reverse the fan, select between the high speed and the various low speeds derived from the speed control, or also control the light. In these various examples:

- When the pullchain only switches the fan on and off, it most likely has only two wires and is equivalent to the light kit pullchain mentioned above. It is a basic on/off switch

- When the pullchain reverses the fan or switches the speed control in and out of the circuit, it is most likely the three wire two speed pullchain mentioned above. It is a L-1-2 switch. There are some exceptions such as certain model Fasco fans.

- When the pullchain controls both the fan and light, it is the three wire three speed pullchain mentioned above. It is a L-1-2-1+2 switch.

III. If for whatever reason you do not know which wires connect to which locations on the pullchain, you may yet have some options. For starters, black is almost always L. Some other common color combinations:

For many four wire pullchains:

L - Black, 1 - Grey, 2 - Brown, 3 - Purple
L - Orange, 1 - Black, 2 - Yellow, 3 - Purple
L - Black, 1 - Grey, 2 - Brown, 3 - Green
L - Grey, 1 - Yellow, 2 - Purple, 3 - Black
L - White, 1- Black, 2 - Blue, 3 - Yellow


For many three wire pullchains:

L - Black, 1 - Blue, 2 - Red

May 02, 2011 | Vacuums

1 Answer

I installed a Lutron LG 603 P. I have existin three way wiring. Previous light switch operated fine as a three way. The new dimmer comes with two red wires and a black. My wiring is white, black &...


The correct way to wire this switch is the wire that was on the gold or dark colored screw of the old three way switch is called the shunt or common terminal. The wire connected to this terminal is to be connected to the black wire of the three way dimmer. The other two wires are connected to the silver or light colored terminals of the switch. These are the traveler terminals. The traveler wires may be connect to either traveler terminal - it does not matter which.

If you have already disconnected the old switch, simply connect the dimmer wires to the house wires as shown top to bottom in each configuration below until you get it to work as expected:


Config1 Config2 Config3

B R R B R R B R R Dimmer Wires: B = Black R= Red R = Red
R W B B R W W R B House Wires: R = Red W= White B= Black



In two configurations or less, you'll have found the correct wiring for the switch. I hope this helps & good luck! Please rate my reply. Thank you.

Mar 24, 2011 | Lutron LG-603P Lumea 3-Way 600 Watts...

1 Answer

When replacing two old switches. I found that one switch had a black and white wire attached, as normal, while the other one and two black wires attached to from different runs and the two white wires...


what is happening is the one with two black wires is connected to a three way circuit aslong as you connect one wire to top of switch and other to bottom youre ok dont try to change the wiring the circuit wont work just see one wire as white connect it as normal

Jan 14, 2011 | Cooper Lighting Lighted Switch

1 Answer

I attempted to install a slide dimmer yesterday. when i pulled the existing switch off I had three black wires (two pushed in to the back of the switch and one wound around a screw) and one white wire...


The white and the black wires are both hot wires, and the green wire is for earth ground only. The green wire does not belong hooked up to the white wire.

The two black field wires should be attached to one side of the dimmer switch (one of the black wires from the dimmer switch)

The white field wire should be attached to the other side of the dimmer switch (the other black wire from the dimmer switch)

The green wire from the dimmer switch should be hooked up to earth ground only (any un-insulated copper wire that is inside the switch/outlet housing) and if you can not find it attach the green wire to the inside of the light switch outlet housing and be sure that it is attached to metal.

The other hall light switch that you are talking about must be connected inline with that light switch you trying to turn into a dimmer, and it should operate again nomally once you have connected that light switch properly, and if not check for any tripped circuit breakers.

May 17, 2010 | Leviton #L32-06631-WWP White Decora Slide...

2 Answers

I have power running to a 2 switch gangbox. Each


As long as the power is running from the breaker panel to the switches rather than the fixtures then it should be pretty simple.

1. Run a new 2 conductor wire from the existing box to the new box at the top of the stair.

2. Install a switch at the top of the stairs.

3. Disconnect the hot wire that is running to the two existing switches and connect it to one of the two conductors running to the top of the stairs.

4. Connect the remaining conductor on the wire going to the top of the stairs to the two existing switches.

Note that if you want to be able to use the Dimmer function from the top of the stairs this will be much more complicated. You will need to put two new switches at the top of the stairs, run more wire, the new switches will need to be 3 way dimmers and the existing switches will almost certainly need to be replaced as well. The wiring will also be much more complicated.

Jan 09, 2010 | Lutron Claro Screwless 2 Gang Wall Plate...

2 Answers

Wiring a 3 way switch on 1 plate to 3 lights and 2 other switches


I have a light switch at the bottom of the stairs which works 2ways can be switched on and off up and down stairs and also an out side light on the same switch which I have messed up and would like a picture of the way it should be connected.

Sep 21, 2008 | Electrical Supplies

Not finding what you are looking for?

Open Questions:

Electrical Supplies Logo

Related Topics:

32 people viewed this question

Ask a Question

Usually answered in minutes!

Top Lutron Electrical Supplies Experts

jdthefixer

Level 3 Expert

745 Answers

Craig Butler
Craig Butler

Level 3 Expert

1730 Answers

mikenearman

Level 2 Expert

127 Answers

Are you a Lutron Electrical Supply Expert? Answer questions, earn points and help others

Answer questions

Manuals & User Guides

Loading...