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Jerry Romine Posted on Jan 26, 2019
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My janome mb4--how do you stop bird nesting on the back side and looping on top!!!

It sews great then suddenly starts this

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This is a tension issue with the top thread and also the bobbin. There should be adjustments for it on both parts.

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Inky

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  • Posted on Aug 14, 2007

SOURCE: Birds nest

Check the tension on both the upper and lower threads is similar. It sounds like the thread on the lower spool is under tensioned. On most machines the tension is increased by a small screw on the spool.

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on May 19, 2008

SOURCE: janome mb4

Loud chirping noises indicate a need for lubrication or something is rubbing against your carriage.
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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jun 11, 2008

SOURCE: Top tread bird nesting.

When you say top thread nesting, I supose you mean that the thread is messed up at the top of the needle plate.
If so,
1st, either your bobbin thread is completely loose, or the bobbin thread is not held under the bobbin case spring,
or lint has been accumulated under the bobbin case spring.
2nd, the top thread is very tight,

or both.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Feb 28, 2009

SOURCE: bernina 180 thread breaking and tension problems

First make sure that you are using a new needle in the proper size. A needle with burrs on it will cause the bird's nest problem. Also, is the thread you are using old? My repair guy told me to keep my filled bobbins in the freezer to maintain their humidity, and that has made a world of difference in my stitching. Finally, how long has it been since you had the machine cleaned and serviced, and was it by an authorized Bernina repair shop? Bernina machines have special screws that only Bernina authorized repair people have - I discovered that when I took my machine in to someone who was not authorized only to have the timing go off in a matter of weeks. The authorized repair guy found clumps of thread that had been air blasted into the inner works of the machine and those clumps were getting caught up in the new stitching and causing the same problems you described. Good luck!

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Mar 02, 2009

SOURCE: Bobbin problems

Are you using a size "A" (Class 15) bobbin? If you are using pre-wounds and they are not this size... they will jump around alot. The size of an "L" is very similar, but they are not as tall (height off the table when laying flat on the round side... like when sitting in the bobbin case.) There are tricks to using the thinner bobbins... See if you have a "taller" size "A"/Class 15 and if that corrects the trouble. [email protected]

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Mb4 bird nesting in back side and looping on top--- I have been using Robinson Anton thread and pre wound bobbins--i am at a loss!!

Hello, Jerry -

I doubt the kind of thread and pre-wound bobbins you use with your Janome MB4 sewing machine are the problem with the thread tangles and loops on the bottom and top of the items you are working on are the problem. Robinson Anton threads appear to be rated as high quality.

I suspect the problems are caused by the tensions for the top and bottom threads and / or how the bobbin is inserted in the bobbin holder. It is an embroidery sewing machine, is it not?

From the user manual for your model of machine:
https://www.janome.com/siteassets/support/manuals/embroidery-models/inst-book-mb-4en.pdf
on Page 81 (PDF image 84), the problem of the thread looping (last Troubleshooting issue on the page) may be caused by
- Needle thread tension too loose
- Bobbin not inserted properly
- Poor quality thread used (Note: I don't think that is the issue for you.)

I found a series of YouTube videos about the Janome MB4 machine, which may prove instructive. This is the link to the Part 1 video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VL-ikUr3tQ
In the right sidebar of that page, you will see links to the first parts of the video series. As you choose subsequent parts of the video series, you will see additional links to other parts of the video series in the right sidebar.

I also found a longer video tutorial on YouTube for the Janome MB4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_RJ8-kY5_o
The sections of the video on inserting the bobbin (starting at about minute 14:18) and threading the machine (starting at about minute 15:17) may be helpful.

If, after making sure you know how to insert the bobbin properly in the machine and after threading the machine properly and setting the tension for each needle, you still experience thread nesting, I suggest you locate a nearby authorized Janome sewing machine service center and pay to have the machine evaluated and adjusted so that it works properly.

Best wishes.

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Janome one step Despite altering the tension dial the top thread is looping on underside of material and when pressing the reverse button material puckers.I tried adjusting the tension dial from 0-9

Usually, this occurs because the top thread is not fully seated in the tension disk.

Remove the top thread from the machine.
ALWAYS RAISE the presser foot and rethread from the beginning.
Reset your top tension to the midway point and then tweak it.

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Sounds like birds nest or thread nests. HINT: When threading the top thread, ALWAYS have the presser foot in the RAISED position.

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Thread nests (also called bird nests).

Remove the top thread.
ALWAYS RAISE the presser foot and rethread from the beginning.


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That is called thread nesting or bird nesting--or what I like to call thread "barfs."

Be sure to ALWAYS RAISE the presser foot when threading the top thread. This releases the tension disk so the thread will seat completely.

Bring the bobbin thread to the top of the fabric and gently hold both thread tails in your left hand while taking the first stitch or two. It may be beneficial to manually turn the handwheel for the first couple of stitches. It also helps to have the take-up lever at it's highest point BEFORE starting to stitch.

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The tension will not stay set . It sews great and then suddenly starts looping!! Like carpet!!and no bobbin shows through on back side at all help!!!

Ewww! Wondering if the tension mechanism has gone haywire.

First, change the needle. (Is the thread still in the correct path or has it "jumped" out of place? If so, try slowing down the machine.) Remove the thread. RAISE the presser foot to insure the thread seats properly in the tension disk and rethread from the beginning. Check that the bobbin is threaded properly. Check the tension setting and retest.

If it is still malfunctioning, it may need service.
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Janome 4400 bought new bobbin holder but still have lots of issues with thread looping while sewing. The repair person says I pull the thread forward after cutting it and undo the proper bobbin threading....

looping the material ( bird nesting) is an indication of incorrect needle thread tension before threading the needle pull the thread and there should be resistance to the pulling
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