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The governors will not open up when a load is applied

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Try moving it by hand when running if it dont govern it may be a bad gear.

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I have a honda EB3000C generator that does not throttle up automatically when a load is applied

So with no load, governor holds engine at normal rpm, but apply electrical load and rpms decrease. So most likely a carburetor issue. If you have't drained the fuel bowl recently, do so. Leave fuel valve open and capture at least a 2 pints (1/2 liter) into an empty dry gasoline container. Be sure to capture first flow as water will be first out.

Pour a fuel sample (cup or so) into clear glass container. Be sure to vigorously shake the gas container before pouring. Wait a few seconds and look for a visible water line. If you detect water drain the generator fuel tank and refuel with fresh fuel.

Could also be there's something wrong with throttle linkage but suggest you check fuel first.

Please comment here with results.
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What is the function of the throttle rod and springs for the predator212cc generator engine

It controls open throttle tension against the governor arm to maintain a given engine rpm (gen Hz and Volts).

As the engine slows down from an increase in electrical load the governor releases accordingly, thus allowing tension from the throttle rod/spring to open the throttle and compensation for the increase in load as to maintain a nominal frequency and voltage.
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I have a Husqvarna GT 2548 with a 25 hp Kohler eng. Engine idles fine and drives fine until I engage blades , then it bogs down. It is really bad if I am moving up an incline. I checked the blades and...

The governor regulates the engine speed and when a load is applied that would slow the engine it is the governor's job to open the throttle to maintain the speed. It also limits the maximum engine speed to a safe level. As a user of the machine you should have formed an idea about whether the governor is working correctly.

If the governor linkage moves freely against the spring(s) and the maximum revs of the engine are about right no adjustment should be attempted and the fault probably lies elsewhere, most likely fuel starvation though bad ignition or valve timing, tight valve clearances or partially blocked exhaust can affect power output.

A back-to-basics approach is usually the best if the problem has built gradually but if it happened suddenly I suggest you begin by thoroughly cleaning the carb.
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My 6.5hp petrol water pump runs well when you start it,but stops or trips when it start to pump water.

This is the car section, but most gas engines have a governor that opens the throttle when a load is applied to the engine.
If there is a problem with the carb or the fuel source, the engine will stall.
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My 5550 Watt generator hunts underload and finallly cut off, but before it stops, it slows down and then pick speed a few times and then finally shuts down?

Hello, it seem that you are having a Governor problem. On the throttle side of the carburetor (second one back from the front of carb) this the throttle. There a lever/spring and rod the go back to the side o the engine block. Their is a angler clutch in the crank case. As load is applied to the generator this will slow the engine down. This will causes the governor clutch to spring slower which in turn will pull the Governor rod back---by pull back the rod this will open the throttle for more rpm.. The same with no load, the governor rod will slow down and will semi close the throttle place letting the engine/generator idle.
Now, if this governor system is working. Then look at carburetor. Their is a nut or screw in type solenoid that holds the fuel bowl on. Remove this solenoid/bolt and clean out the settlement bowl.
If it has a fuel filter then replace. Another thing here, if the is old fuel in the tank drain it out and clean out the fuel tank. Modern gasoline is good for about 4 months of storage, and after a while it gets really gunky. It is just cheap fuel with high prices. I pump Ethanol premium fuel for 18 cents/gal.---regular was 12/13 cents/gal. quart of brand name oil was 22 cents and recondition oil was a 5c/qt.

First thing, how old is the fuel?, does the settlement boil have gunky in it?, does this generator have a fuel filter? and finally does the governor working properly. I wish you luck buddy. GB...stewbison
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Motor is running eratic up and down under load

One of the most important parts of your engine is the engine governor. An improperly adjusted governor can shorten your engine's life. If engine speed is not controlled, the engine will destroy itself. Never run an engine over speed, especially without a load attached to it. Even for a short period of time it can cause catastrophic failures, like blowing the magneto magnet into 100's of little pieces. Over speeding is something that needs to be taken care of immediately, because it can be a real hazard with metal coming loose at high speed. This page will explain how to adjust the mechanical governor on Briggs and Stratton and Tecumseh Engines.
First, let's understand a little more about governors and why they may not be working right:
Most complaints about governors fall into two categories:
  1. Engine runs too fast or too slow.
  2. Engine surges or hunts.
You should do an inspection of the governor linkage and spring before trying to solve either of these problems. Make sure everything is operating freely and the spring is not damaged or stretched. Also, check the governor static adjustment to see that all free play has been removed between the spindle and carburetor. The best way to do this is to move the throttle from idle to full open and note the way the governor shaft moves. If it goes clockwise, then loosen the clamp screw and with the throttle wide open turn the shaft all the way clockwise and re-tighten the nut. Make sure the throttle moves from idle to full open freely after making the adjustment. Refer to the engine repair manual for exact adjustment procedures.
After you have made the above check, restart the engine and see if the governor now operates correctly. With the engine at idle, move the governor lever with your finger to open the throttle and it should push the arm back toward idle if working properly. One way to do this test is with the governor spring removed. If it still over speeds or has no push toward idle, you probably will need to have the internal parts checked inside the motor or recheck the static adjustmen
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The mixer motor starts and stops, it will not continue running on any speed. By playing with the speed selector you can get it running sometimes but you cannot keep it running if you change speeds.

Here is how your speed control works:

Speed Control
The speed control of the mixer is attained through the use of a governor assembly mounted at the rear of the control plate assembly.
The electrical circuit is made and broken by the action of the fly ball governor revolving against the control plate.
When the switch lever is moved to an ON position, the position of the control plate with respect to the governor is changed by the action of the switch lever.
Thus, when the control plate is set close to the governor, a relatively low speed of the motor causes the governor to make or break the mixer’s electrical circuit through the control plate.
When the control plate is set farther away, a greater motor speed is required before the governor starts breaking the circuit.
The action of the governor is such that the speed of the motor will remain constant for a given setting of the control plate within certain loads.
After certain loads have been exceeded, the speed of the motor will drop to meet the torque requirements of the given load.
Speed is controlled by the governor and the control plate in conjunction with the phase control.

TRIAC RMS VOLTAGE
BOTH CONTACTS OPEN - 40 VOLTS
ONE CONTACT OPEN - 80 VOLTS
BOTH CONTACTS CLOSED - FULL VOLTAGE
NOTE: The triac regulates the power the motor sees depending on control board contacts.
A device called a triac is a part of the phase control circuit.
This device determines the amount of power the motor sees dependent upon the condition of the control board contacts.
If both contacts are open, about 40 volts RMS is applied to the motor and about 80 volts is applied when either contact is closed and the other is open.
When both contacts are closed, the triac is full on; consequently, full power is applied to the motor. In this way, the speed is controlled.
If the mixer motor begins to run too fast for a
particular speed setting, one or both contacts open, which cuts back on the voltage the motor sees, thus slowing it up.
If the motor operation becomes too slow, one or both contacts will close, applying the needed voltage to the motor to sufficiently increase motor speed.
This is always accomplished through the triac.
The control plate contacts control the triac, and in turn, controls the amount of power supplied to the motor.

The control Plate for your mixer is PN
W10119326
http://www.marbeck.com/mixers_kitchenaid_parts.html

If your not good with tools / meters or tedious repairs do NOT attempt this yourself.
The service manual for your mixer can be found here
http://www.f-ems.com/download/DownLoad.aspx?DocsID=082009012917

and is:
LIT4177310-C


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My 3500 wont idle up when somethings plugged in

It will only idle up under a load if you apply a load and nothing happens the governor, governor shaft, spring, or linkage is at fault. Check to make sure all these are connected and working freely and not binding. This applies to all small gasoline generators.
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Tecumseh engine #143.985510 - carb linkage hook-up

Hello:

The Carbuertor Throttle is Held in the Full Open Position Until the Engine is Started and Running, then the Governor and Spring Work together to Keep the Engine RPMs to the Desired Setting.
The Following is an Explaination on How the Governor System on Small Engines Function.
>>The Governor System behaves like an Unending Tug of War between One of Two Governor Springs, which Pull the Throttle Toward the Open Position, and a Spinning Crankshaft, which Tries to Close the Throttle. When the Load on the Engine Increases - a Typical Example is when you Move your Running Lawn Mower from the Driveway to the Grass - Crankshaft Revolutions Drop. But the Governor Spring is Still Tugging, Causing the Throttle Plate to Open. In Response, a Larger Volume of Air-Fuel Mixture Enters the Carburetor, Increasing Engine Speed to Compensate for the Increased Load. The Crankshaft Speeds Up, and the Tug of War Resumes, until a New Equilibrium is Achieved. With Each Change in Load, the Tension Between the Governor Spring and the Load Brings about a New Equilibrium, known as the Engine's Governed Speed. Neither Side Wins until the Engine is Shut Off. At that Point, without the Crankshaft Spinning, the Governor Spring Pulls the Throttle to the Wide-Open Position. Two Types of Governors are Common on Small Engines - Mechanical and Pneumatic.
Please, Do Not Hesitate, If you Hit a Snag or this Does Not Correct the Problem, I am Here if You Require More Assistance.
Hope this Helps. Let me Know What Happens, Please. May the All Mighty Bless You and Yours. Be Safe and Be Happy. Thanks.

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Porter Cable 5500w generator (10hp BS) will not regulate speed.

While attending college I worked at a tool rental center and learned a great deal about matching generators to customer requirements and troubleshooting customer owned units. There are simple tests that you can perform, however, first some info on what to expect from a generator. Most generators are overrated and under powered. You should only expect to get about 60 - 75% of rating. Example, a commercial honda 5000w generator has an 11hp motor that can only produce about 9.5 hp at 3600 rpm. If a customer needed 5000w of power, we would rent them an 8000w generator because as the generator is loaded to max the voltage will drop. You generator will probably only provide steady voltage ex. 115v at 60 cycles to about 3500w then voltage will begin to drop. New generators have automatic voltage regulator that varies the power to the armature increasing/decreasing the power of the magnet. These voltage regulators suffer a high failure rate and are expensive. If your generator is not giving you 3500 watt at 115v 60 cycles your engine may have a few problems and your power generator end may need tweaking. (I would not expect to achieve 5500w at 115v with briggs 10hp) .
The governor is about 2 inches in diameter and turns off the cam gear inside the engine. It is flyball type with two or three small arms that react to rpm. The faster the engine turns, more force is applied to the governor arm to reduce engine speed. Easy to test, with engine running use finger pressure against the arm to increase speed and you should feel a greater resistance as the engine speed increases. Another simple test, remove air filter to expose butterfly inside the carb. Move the governor arm and check that the butterfly opens fully. If it does not open fully linkage and governor is not set correctly. Next, start engine and load generator up to max and check that butterfly opens to full as the load increases. When the butterfly opens all the way under load the engine is at max. Add up the wattage of all the tools/appliances you used to load the engine to get an idea of max load . Lets assume that the shop adjusted the governor properly, if the governor was not working the engine would over rev. and damage would occur. As you were told the governor spring controls speed and can be adjusted somewhat by bending tab or adjustment screw. But a review of your generator manual or that series of briggs engine will show that there are several governor springs available and different placement holes on the governor arm to attach the spring that will change the power curve. Pulling on the spring can only do so much, however changing the spring to different gauge /turns/material or differnet location on the governor arm will cause the engine to perform differently. These springs are sold thru briggs dealers by part number for your engine. This would be considered tweaking to get a different power curve.
Now for the generator. Some generators have a capacitor incorporated in the windings. This capacitor must measure within 95% of rating. Remove from circuit for testing. Finally look very carefully at the commutator rings for any evidence of brush bounce. If the brushes do not perfectly seat you will lose power. If your generator is brushless you can only hope that the diodes are within spec. because it is too difficult to test them. They also must be removed to test. Finally if your generator has an automatic voltage regulator the only test would be to replace with a known good part. At the rental center we stocked spare parts so that we could quickly find fault. There is soo much to learn and the life too short. I hope this helps good luck, please email your questions.

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