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Andre Posted on Jan 09, 2015
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I have a thermostat RTH9580. Why do I have emergency heat under system AND heat which sometines switch automatically to auxilliary heat?

  • Andre
    Andre Jan 11, 2015

    I just bought and installed a Honeywell thermostat wi fi RTH9580. Since then the heating cannot keep the house warm enough when outdoor temperature goes below 10 degrees Celsius.

    I am worried that I either miss installed the thermostat or that my furnace is not heating much.



    Installation: My old thermostat was Honeywell T874R1178

    R black to RC

    Y orange to W2-Aux/E

    M red to Y

    X yellow to C

    F green to G

    V bleu to R

    Old thermostat: White wire connected to A and brown wire connected to L were not used and taped

    New thermostat: w-ob, k, y2, and L terminals are empty.



    My other issue is that auxiliary heating (Electric furnace Lennox EC 10 Q3-20-4) is almost always kicking in even though set point is the same as the displayed temp or only .5 or 1 degrees higher. When i select emergency heating, heat is not warmer, it heats but not enough to increase the temp to where i want it.



    thanks

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If you have an air to air heat pump, in colder temperatures, the heat pump will not heat as well as it would in warmer outdoor temperatures making it run longer. the digital thermostats work off of a built in algorithm that kicks on the auxiliary heat when the heat pump runs to long so that it will satisfy the thermostat quicker. This can be tied to the Emergency heat @ the thermostat energizing a few heating elements, or just energizing a separate element from the emergency heat. I always recommend on an air to air heat pump to run the emergency heat when you have consistent Outdoor temperatures below 20 degrees F because you will cycle the heat less by getting hotter heat making life more comfortable, and it costs about the same as running the heat pump since @ those temperatures, it will run all the time.

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