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Anonymous Posted on Aug 02, 2014

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I have a problems with my electric mirrors. The passenger mirror will not fold in or out it is completely dead , but the power slide still works and the mirror glass still works. The drivers side mirror when you operate the fold button sometimes the mirror tries to fold in and out or the mirror glass tries to move when you try to alter the power folding. Also the power slide works and the mirror glass adjustment still work. Please can someone help!

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It sound like to me that the controller for the mirror is going bad
you may want to go to the junk yard and take one out of a wrecked
truck with low miles or one Gathas been tested

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