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chrisb Posted on Nov 27, 2013
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Steam Boiler not heating up - pumps cold water but won't the boiler never heats up, I suspect the thermostat or solenoid

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    chrisb Dec 03, 2013

    I checked all this and the continuity seems good on the thermostat, boiler and thermal fuses, I suspect the relay is not switching power to the steam boiler, but its hard to figure out without a wiring diagram. Also, the relay wiring on my machine does not line up with the documentation.

  • Ross Keen Dec 03, 2013

    Hi Chris, I have never had to replace a relay on one of those, the solution has always been found within the items I listed for you. Providing you have not mixed around the wiring you should be able to check if the relay is working by using a voltmeter at the boiler while the machine is heating. I will have a wiring diagram here but it sounds like you already have one anyway. If you need my diagram you will need to provide me an email address.

  • chrisb
    chrisb Dec 03, 2013

    I'd appreciate a wiring diagram just to check as I did inherit this machine from someone else. My email address is [email protected]

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Check the 2 thermal fuses on the top of the boiler, if they are blown replace them and the thermostat. While you are at it replace the seals in the steam boiler, there are 5 of them in that boiler. If the fuses aren't blown check the element for continuity, sometimes one will fail.

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The steam guage is rather slow to respond and the pointer has become detatched on my machine but it's working well and froths good after about 5 minutes from start up, although I do tend to leave my machine on all day and just make sure that there is sufficient fresh water in the tank

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