I could not use two hard disk on the same cable also if a put the master on the middle attack and slave at the end what can be happen , i found teh same problem with the two ide cddvdr-rw with the second cable ?????

SATA Hard Disk as a Slave b> An SATA hard drive is an internal hard drive that connects to your computer's motherboard. It is even possible to connect multiple drives to the same computer; however, only one drive can be the master hard drive; the other(s) must be slave drives. This is because the master drive has the operating system installed and must be used to boot up the system. When installing a new SATA hard drive onto your computer, you must set it as a slave.

Power down your computer and disconnect the cables. Remove the Phillips screws from the exterior of the computer case and slide the case open to expose the interior of your computer. Identify the hard drive at the front of your computer, then slide the new SATA drive in underneath. Insert the smaller power cable into the power port on the side of the SATA hard drive. Follow the power cable running out of the current hard drive and insert it next to it on the motherboard. Pull out the ribbon cable, which has three different connection ports: one on each end of the cable and one in the middle. The connection port on the middle inserts into the slave drive and is slightly different than the other two ends (the pins built into the port are in different locations than the other ends). Insert the middle connection port into the ribbon port on the back end of the SATA hard drive. Plug one of the opposite ends of the cable (doesn't matter which one) into the SATA connection port on the motherboard (your current hard drive is inserted here). Once connected, this completes your slave drive connection. Second SATA 2 Hard Drive as a Slave b> Installing a second hard drive in your desktop PC or notebook is an option used to increase hard disk space without losing or transferring the data from your original hard drive. Using this method not only increases hard disk space, it also increases the virtual memory space for the Windows operating system, increasing operational efficiency. One of the ways in which a BIOS can recognize the second hard drive is to boot it as a slave drive, with the primary hard drive booted as a master drive.

Turn the PC off and remove the desktop chassis. Refer to the pin connector diagram. This is displayed on the sticker, on top of the hard drive, for the position of the slave pin. Place the plastic connector on the slave pin as detailed on the diagram. Connect the hard drive to the power and IDE/SATA cable. Ensure the other ends are connected to the motherboard. Use the screws to mount the drive. Replace the desktop chassis. Turn on the PC. Enter the BIOS, by default this can be done by pressing F2. If this does not work consult your motherboard manual. In the BIOS, press right until the boot device tab is highlighted. Set the slave drive to boot following the primary drive. Read the bottom line and use the relevant key to save the settings. Restart the PC.
Hope it helps.
http://www.pcmech.com/article/installing-a-hard-drive-step-by-step/ Installing a hard drive.

Set The Jumper Setting On Your Hard Disk Drive

The hard disk drive will be detected as 32 GB if the jumper is set to the 32 GB clip pin setting. The common jumper settings for Samsung hard disk drives are listed below. Please check the label on your hard disk drive for the correct jumper setting.

Important: Use the alternate jumper setting listed below under General Pin Setting. After changing the jumper, partition and format your hard disk drive.

Configuring your Hard Disk Drive (Master, Slave, or Cable Select) - Setting the Jumper

If this is the only HDD in your computer, set the pin setting to Master.
If this is the second HDD in your computer, set the pin setting to Slave.
If this is the second HDD in your computer, and the first drive is set to Cable Select, set the pin setting to Cable Select.
If you are replacing the HDD in your computer, set the jumper setting to match that of the drive you are replacing.

Cable Select:

This setting is the default setting for PATA/IDE hard disk drives. With the Cable Select jumper setting, the BIOS determines whether a hard disk drive is Set as Master or Set as Slave by it's position on the UDMA cable.
If the hard disk drive jumper is set to Cable Select and is connected to the black connector on the end of the UDMA cable, it is recognized as Set as Master for that PATA controller.
If the hard disk drive jumper is set to Cable Select and is connected to the grey connector on the middle of the UDMA cable, it is recognized as Set as Slave for that PATA controller.

Note: When using Cable Select, your system must meet the following conditions:
Your systems host controller must support Cable Select.
Your hard drives must support Cable Select.
Your cable must support Cable Select.

Set as Master:

Use this setting if you are installing an additional hard disk drive to a single UDMA cable with a hard disk drive Set as Slave, jumper one hard disk drive to Set as Master, and the other to Set as Slave.
Use this setting if you are installing an additional hard disk drive to a single UDMA cable and the Cable Select setting is not recognized.

Set as Slave:

Use this setting if you are installing an additional hard disk drive to a single UDMA cable with a hard disk drive Set as Master, jumper one hard disk drive to Set as Master, and the other to Set as Slave.
Use this setting if you are installing an additional hard disk drive to a single UDMA cable and the Cable Select setting is not recognized.

32 GB Clip Pin Setting:

Use this on computers manufactured before November 1998 when either you start up your computer and see the message, "Hard disk drive controller failure", or your system stops responding during the boot process after installing a new drive. This occurs when the hard disk drive is too large for the BIOS to support.

If after performing the troubleshooting procedure listed above, the full capacity of your hard disk drive is not recognized, click here for information about obtaining a system BIOS update. If you are unable to update your BIOS, another option would be to create a second partition with the remaining unallocated disk space.

For Slave/Master set up most hard drives have a little diagram on them showing you where to put your jumpers for master and where to put the other one for slave. All hard drives are different. But on your diagram it should say "MA" for master, "SL" for slave and "CS" for cable select.

For Cable select you have to set jumpers to cable selected which should be on the diagram on your hard drive. You will need an 80 conductor IDE/ATA cable. The master conductor is at the end of the cable and the slave conductor is in the middle.

If you don't put jumper in harddrive is detects it as cable select means if you connect your harddrive to middle socket of ide cable and then it detects it as slave but if you connect it at the end of ide cable it detects as slave.But make sure that otehr device is not set as master only 1 device is set as master or slave .
Let me know if you need further assistance.
Thanks for using FixYa.

you may have not properly set the jumpers on your new installed hard drive.

usually a computer will have 2 eide drive controllers where you would connect a ribbon cable. a ribbon cable has a middle connector and end connector and obviously another end connector that connects to the motherboard)
now you can connect upto to devices to that ribbon cable. most computers will have one device connected to the end connector (the hard drive) and no devices connected to the middle connector or sometimes they may have 2 device on the same cable: the hard drive on the end and a cd/dvd drive on the middle. others computers may have one ribbon cable for each device as computers usually come with 2 drive controllers (so you can connect 2 cables which means a total of upto 4 eide devices)

now, when you connect devices on 1 ribbon cable, the end device is the master device, the one the middle is the slave. to make a device a master or a slave you need to set a jumper. the jumper is usually located in between the ribbon cable connector and the power connector, the legend to know where the jumper goes to make it a slave or a master is usually on the label of the hard drive. you may need to check that label and with some pliers make the proper setting for that jumper.

on a new hd usually the jumper setting will be in master. so if you connected the hard drive on a ribbon cable that already has a master at the end it may not be detected. try to connect that master device on another ribbon cable that has no other devices connected and connect it on the end connector (not the middle one). if you have no other option but to connect it in the middle already having a master device at the end, set the jumper to on the slave position.

while you are at it. make sure you have your power connector and data (ribbon) cable properly seated.

if the caviar hd your are trying to install is an old hd and you know that you have the proper hd configuration and the cables properly seated, it is possible that no detection means hd failure.

I'm going to make an assumption here and guess that you have both hard drive and cdrom plugged into the same IDE cable. I think you have either 2 masters or 2 slaves and that is why the bios can't see them. On any one cable you can have a master and a slave. Drives have to be jumpered to configure them as a master, slave, or cable select. Cable select requires a certain kind of cable but in that system the master is the drive plugged into the first plug-in away from the motherboard or the middle plug and the slave is the second one or end plug on cable. If you can jumper cable select and then plug the hard drive into the middle plug on the IDE ribbon and the CD rom to the end one then you'll have a master and a slave. Bios should then read the drives. If that doesn't work then you have to jumper the hard drive to master and cdrom to slave. The cdrom is marked on the back as to which jumpers you use. MS/SL/CS. master/slave/cable select. The hard drive usually has jumper settings on the front of the drive but you might have to look up on manufacturer's web site. Most computers use cable select now.

Hi,

setup the first drive as slave ( sometimes No Jumper ) then the furthest away drive as Master.
If this fails, and you have 2 IDE Slots on the motherboard. ( Primary/Secondary ) Put 1 drive on primary as Slave. And DVD Rom As Master ( same Cable ) Then put second drive On Secondary IDE Slot. ( Set As Master Or Slave )
If none of these solutions Work For you, check to see if Both Channels are activated in the Bios.

Thankyou For Using Fixya.

Mike @ compurepair.

is cable on master jumpers or slave ?

you have to have both drives share the ide cable.on the back of each drive you will see a jumper,you will also see markings cs,mas,slave.the drive you want as master use the jumper on cs (cable select).the drive you want for slave use the slave jumper.if you just want to use your new drive put the jumper to cs first if that doesnt work put the jumper to master.

You have to be careful here with these switches and settings. If you have an IDE motherboard and cabling and drives, the boot drive should be MASTER on IDE0, plugged into the end of the cable, with (probably) the CD drive plugged into the middle connector of the same cable and set to SLAVE. The other two hard drives connect one as MASTER and the other as SLAVE on IDE1, with MASTER on the end of the cable. The jumper settings for all four devices will be different, so look carefully on the device to make sure you set the jumpers correctly.

Do all this with the machine unplugged of course. :>)

Good luck...