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Verifying breaker rating of AM-14

I'll be supervising the electrical installation of an AM-14 unit purchased at an auction, and want to clarify the manual's recommended wire sizing. The motor nameplate states 200-230 volts and the voltage selector block at the motor is correctly connected. It also has the electric heat option. Just curious as to why we need 50 amps capacity. I can't read the full-load current on the motor's nameplate, but if I assume it's less than 10 amps, do the electric heaters draw that much additional current? I didn't see anywhere in the literature where these heater wattage is given.
Thanks......Lee

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Commercial dishwashers don't take it for granted that the hot water is hot enough to sanitize. And, they know restaurants need to turn dishes.

So there is enough heat to make sure warm water heats up quickly to sanitizing temperatures.

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http://waterheatertimer.org/pdf/AO-Smith-Cyclone-gas-water-heater.pdf
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