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Engine hard to start at times, also runs rough at idle

Just replaced coil assembly(Saab specialist fitted second- hand unit),I was told the old one was faulty,but the vehicle is no better.

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Came across a fault similar to this a few years ago and it turned out to be the wires going into the distributor had become dry and brittle due to engine heat.Excessive resistance in the wires made vehicle hard to start and caused problems when accelerating hard.

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