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Bob Jones Posted on Nov 14, 2012

My pilot light works fine but when the blower kicks on to heat the house, it doesn't bring flame to the burners all the time, sometimes it does and then it doesn't?

The flame won't come on. It does sometimes but not all the time?

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  • Posted on Jul 10, 2009

SOURCE: jandy lite 2 LG250N ..heater will not come on.

you may have a lose conection or may be dirty check your conections look for burns or frays in the wireing

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