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I want to change to tankless hot water. The existing hot water tank had a 3" exhaust run to the chimney and cemented in. Can I run the 4" exhaust to the chimney as well or is it meant to be vented to the outside wall. The 83.4% efficiency furnace vented to the outside wall. How far should it be away from a window and how far should the tankless unit be from the boiler/furnace Steve Buffalo NY

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Please contact your city permit office for construction requirements, they vary from city to city.

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SOURCE: Hot water heater not venting properly.

Hi .. it appears that your house is very tight. From your description of leaving a window open , it seems that the gas heater is suffering from lack of make - up air. Forcing the gas exhaust up the chimney will not really resolve this. You will still be trying to move air out without any air input to replace it. You may be able to install a spring loaded vent so there will be an air exchange. Something like a dryer or bath vent hood installed backwards .. this might work. There does not need to be much of a make-up air supply .. something like a 1 inch hole might be enough. I have seen this problem in a neighbors house , he weather proofed his house so good, that his fireplace would not light, no draft !

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http://waterheatertimer.org/Troubleshoot-Rheem-Tankless-water-heater.html

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http://waterheatertimer.org/Crossover.html
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1) Add tempering tank to preheat incoming cold water.
http://waterheatertimer.org/Tempering-tank.html

2) Read product manual or call Bosch to make sure unit works with pre-heated incoming water. Some incoming water sensors will not trigger combustion is incoming water exceeds certain limit.

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http://waterheatertimer.org/Troubleshoot-Rheem-Tankless-water-heater.html

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Hot water heater not venting properly.

Hi .. it appears that your house is very tight. From your description of leaving a window open , it seems that the gas heater is suffering from lack of make - up air. Forcing the gas exhaust up the chimney will not really resolve this. You will still be trying to move air out without any air input to replace it. You may be able to install a spring loaded vent so there will be an air exchange. Something like a dryer or bath vent hood installed backwards .. this might work. There does not need to be much of a make-up air supply .. something like a 1 inch hole might be enough. I have seen this problem in a neighbors house , he weather proofed his house so good, that his fireplace would not light, no draft !

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